Thread: score tagging

sorry if this a repost if so can you shoot me in the direction. i searched for it but..
okay isn't there a way to get it so called "tagged" score legal. is there somewhere i can take it to get the truck tagged race legal,or inspected as a race legall truck for my calss, or is it show up to a race and stand by the word of my fabricator and hope it passes spec.same with mdr or any other races also ..the guy who built it knows what he is doing and i trust him when he says its race legal but i 've had some fabricators look at it say it will pass but they aren't too sure cuz i don't have a window line roll bar, as there are clear pictures of the same style race cages in race legal trucks.

SHOW PIS of concern ,.. and tech can be a 2 headed mistress .

you can take it to bill savage and have it score tagged/inspected for a fee. if its passes there, it will pass with mdr, snore, more, etc. tech is pretty hit and miss to be honest. as long as the structure is there(look at a score rule book) and its welded 360, your good. but ya, pics would help if you want a quick yay or nay.

Other than SCORE, you just wait in tech line and hope. I say hope because a truck that passed tech the last 5 races, doesn't always pass the next time. However if you really follow all the tech rules, passing isn't hard.

If you want it SCORE tagged, do what dez said and call Savage, pay the fee and try to get it tagged.

thanks for the info guys that will be a big help.how do i get a hold of bill savage? i'll post some pics of it i don't really have any zoomed in real up close in personal pics of the roll cage.these are the best i have .

Savage is going to want gussets on EVERY corner junction inside the truck along with an X setup going to the top corners of the C pilar down to the kicker tubes and possibly want more of a door bar just to start. I can see many things that he could throw a fit on, but you best bet is to take it to him and have him look and tell you himself what he wants added or changed.

I know right now, those shock mounts will not hold up over time. May want to add some plate, bracing, or something else.

theres a fair amout of thing that need done ,.. but i didn't want to pic it apart . want to start a list ??

Are you going to race SCORE? if not don't worry about a SCORE tag.

Are you going to race SCORE? if not don't worry about a SCORE tag

x2 unless you wanna pull bro hoes lol

Yeah i know the shock mounts are a weak point, it was getting set up for a 4 link and he just added those so we could get it rolling but now i can't come up with the money for a link so we have to remount the shocks and gusset it more. Sure, start a list just so i can kind of see where i need to go with it.Um,well like they were saying ^^^ if its score tagged i could pretty much race all around so i don't see why not,i payed the money to have it "legal" it would be an upset if it wasn't...
yes and livenlocal619 bro hoes are a must haha got the og i <3 bro hoes sticker on the front now

As everybody else said, tech is always a bit of a mystery. SNORE got pretty hardcore before BAP, but then they passed our truck without even looking at it. MDR used to pass anything, now ARTS is cracking down and have been pretty consistent but will still nail you on oddball stuff from time to time.

Dan Vance is right. Savage will probably want an X, though I do believe he's passed trucks with C pillars just like that, now-a-days, he'll want that X. Every corner needs a gusset, and I believe the door bar rule says something about the maximum size opening in the cage, and you're likely over that. It's also possible that you'll have a weight issue. Adress those little issues and then make sure all the fuel lines are routed correctly, the lights are working righ etc, Tech guys like to see all that stuff done by the book.

thanks maxyedor. okay an x on the top of the cab to tie the top bars together or you talking about an x in the rear of the cab on the outside on the 2 down bars connecting to the frame and shock mounts?also the door bar was done because this was going to be my DD and i don't want to look dumb getting in and out of my truck everyday or i'm always doing shit to end up with a broke something on my body so i didn't want to not be able to drive my truck.then it turned into "i just want to race it project". but now its 50/50 and i know its not practicall but works 5 mins from my house and schools 7 mins tops.which takes me to if i want to race i want to be safe and knowing my truck cud be score legall would make me feel better if to say i just end up racing some night races and stuff here and there i know my cage will hold up same with shock mounts etc.
and how can i get ahold of savage???

Originally Posted by maxyedor

I believe the door bar rule says something about the maximum size opening in the cage, and you're likely over that.

FYI the size opening is only for open wheel cars (non-full body cars). Another truck owner made his opening WAY small thinking he had to conform to this rule, but didn't! Since most buggy drivers exit out the roof, they want the opening on the side small.

idk if its just a glare but do you know what kind of tubing you fabber used? on the first pic, the tube going from the top of your cab to your shock mount looks like it might have a seem. if its mild steel it wont pass SCORE. but if you have the right tubing size and wall thikness for the waight of the truck youll be alright with everywere else

Originally Posted by WannaB-Class5

FYI the size opening is only for open wheel cars (non-full body cars). Another truck owner made his opening WAY small thinking he had to conform to this rule, but didn't! Since most buggy drivers exit out the roof, they want the opening on the side small.

alright well thanks for that clarification cuz everyone seemed to have an opinion that my truck wasn't even so to say "race legal" because i didn't have a window line rolll cage..

Originally Posted by bigbrent

idk if its just a glare but do you know what kind of tubing you fabber used? on the first pic, the tube going from the top of your cab to your shock mount looks like it might have a seem. if its mild steel it wont pass SCORE. but if you have the right tubing size and wall thikness for the waight of the truck youll be alright with everywere else

alright sweet thanks .yeah its mild steel .well as long as i can pass spec everywhere else i'll be fine with that. u know what i mean i didn't plan on racing score events,probably don't have enough for entry fee, but it would of been the knowing i could if i ever wanted to and that i wouldn't have to worry about it. thanks for the help hoping to get it out and driving maybe racing but have to make some minor changes .


also cromoly question. if this prerunner was built pre january 2010's new esstablished race regulation rule how does that work? same goes for the rest of the score race trucks built without 4130?

Anything that does not fit the current rules had to be inspected to be grandfathered in and tagged long ago. Build date was not important. It was the origional inspection date that mattered. You are already years past that.

thats going to suck for all the 1.5 trucks out there that want to run in SNORE cause as far as i know as of this year is the last time 1.5 will be allowed. over 4000 lbs of course. so that throws one of out trucks out for sure!

I think something has changed with that one....

Originally Posted by GFORacing1404DJF

thats going to suck for all the 1.5 trucks out there that want to run in SNORE cause as far as i know as of this year is the last time 1.5 will be allowed. over 4000 lbs of course. so that throws one of out trucks out for sure!

so 1.5 tubing is fine as long as your under 4000 lbs for SNORE and does anyone know a good place in the riverside area i can weigh my truck at i know im way under 4000 lbs but still would like to make sure

From what I have heard this is the deal, SNORE has the same cage guidelines as SCORE. But if the promoter mandates a cage tubing size then it leaves itself open for liability if the cage fails because they mandated the size and design. Therefore I have heard that when you sign up, you are signing that your cage is legal and safe. Of course tech will be done as usual but, It is upto you to have a safe vehicle.

Also, I am under the impression that the trucks that raced this year with SNORE will be grandfathered in for the cage rules. At least that's what I remember hearing/reading about at BAP. Maybe even heard it at the drivers meeting.

Originally Posted by GREGASAURUS REX

Also, I am under the impression that the trucks that raced this year with SNORE will be grandfathered in for the cage rules. At least that's what I remember hearing/reading about at BAP. Maybe even heard it at the drivers meeting.

yea i think the trucks that raced at BAP were tagged to be grandfathered in

Cliffs Ranger did get a SNORE tag/band at tech at BAP, but I was never asked about or got one when I went threw.

i am just a bug dork, but I got a very different impression. I was told this year (2010) was the last year anything that was not SCORE legal would not pass. In other words, most 1.5" cages for trucks would not pass...and my bug (mild steel) would not pass.

Now I also agree no one said tech would check for these things....just that we would sign something that said our car was safe. So passing tech and "being legal" are as always two different things. I asked everyone I could and got different answers, so I would call SNORE ASAP if you want a real answer.

so what if someone had a truck that was legall 3 or 4 years ago before SCORE started to grandfather trucks in,and it was inspected, passed but didn't have it tagged, then didn't race for the prior years because of whatever reason ,but decided to race this year.and his truck doesn't meet the new cromoly and 1.5" rule

If it was NOT tagged, it was NOT grandfathered in. That is how being grandfathered in works. You had a date that you had to have your illegal truck inspected and tagged by. If you did not do that by the date that SCORE set, then you were not able to be grandfathered in after that date. It would also not pass the inspection but then not be tagged. That makes no sense. If it passed the inspection it was tagged. What angle are you trying to work?

So you're saying my truck is a Grandpa?

Your truck might be a "great grandpa"!!

Originally Posted by WFODAN

If it was NOT tagged, it was NOT grandfathered in. That is how being grandfathered in works. You had a date that you had to have your illegal truck inspected and tagged by. If you did not do that by the date that SCORE set, then you were not able to be grandfathered in after that date. It would also not pass the inspection but then not be tagged. That makes no sense. If it passed the inspection it was tagged. What angle are you trying to work?

you have to have to no matter what have your truck inspected and tagged before you go to a a SCORE race? i didn't know every one had to get there trucks tagged.just asking a simple question that some one with a truck who's had it passed before but can't now might wonder

Originally Posted by WFODAN

Savage is going to want gussets on EVERY corner junction inside the truck along with an X setup going to the top corners of the C pilar down to the kicker tubes and possibly want more of a door bar just to start. I can see many things that he could throw a fit on, but you best bet is to take it to him and have him look and tell you himself what he wants added or changed.

Yes to the gussets, no on the X, the A is perfectly acceptable.



He will however want diagonals from the C pillar to the B pillar across the extra cab window.

Per Savage himself during my inspection, he wanted an X that went up the rear down tubes to the junction in the top corner of the B pilar. When I asked him about it not being listed because it was outside the actual cab, he told me it had to be done that way. I asked him why the KIA TT he had built was not done that way, as it was sitting next to my truck in his shop. He just gave me an angry/stupid look and said he wants ALL cars and trucks done that way to pass his inspection. I asked if he was going to re do the KIA, and he said no as it has a unique design of its own. I just said ok and did as he asked and got the band.


Savage is about the biggest burnout, self proclaimed know it all dumbshit in the industry. The annual inspection is just a way to pad his pocket. There is no consistancy or standard in his desires for each car/truck he inspects. I have been with 5 or 6 different teams while their trucks were being inspected by Savage, or the guy that does them for him in his tool truck. He wanted different stuff modified on each truck/car, and passed right by stuff that he called on other ones. I have also had people tell me he mailed the band out for their TTs without ever having to take the truck to him. Mail in the money, and get the band back in the mail. Ya.... Savage is legit..(roll eyes)

you have to have to no matter what have your truck inspected and tagged before you go to a a SCORE race? i didn't know every one had to get there trucks tagged.just asking a simple question that some one with a truck who's had it passed before but can't now might wonder

Yes your truck has to be tagged before you can race a SCORE event. If your truck is upto the current tubing/weight rules you can get it inspected at the event sometimes, but that is not a for sure thing, so it is best to take it to get it done prior. If the truck does not meet the current tubing/weight rules, and is not currently tagged from when they were grandfathering in the non compliant traucks/cars, then it will not pass the inspection, and cannot be raced at a SCORE event.

Originally Posted by WFODAN

Per Savage himself during my inspection, he wanted an X that went up the rear down tubes to the junction in the top corner of the B pilar. When I asked him about it not being listed because it was outside the actual cab, he told me it had to be done that way. I asked him why the KIA TT he had built was not done that way, as it was sitting next to my truck in his shop. He just gave me an angry/stupid look and said he wants ALL cars and trucks done that way to pass his inspection. I asked if he was going to re do the KIA, and he said no as it has a unique design of its own. I just said ok and did as he asked and got the band.


Savage is about the biggest burnout, self proclaimed know it all dumbshit in the industry. The annual inspection is just a way to pad his pocket. There is no consistancy or standard in his desires for each car/truck he inspects. I have been with 5 or 6 different teams while their trucks were being inspected by Savage, or the guy that does them for him in his tool truck. He wanted different stuff modified on each truck/car, and passed right by stuff that he called on other ones. I have also had people tell me he mailed the band out for their TTs without ever having to take the truck to him. Mail in the money, and get the band back in the mail. Ya.... Savage is legit..(roll eyes)


i'm not a completey newbie to this sport, so i've herd things around the same sort of savages doings but thats i'll i'm going to say...




Yes your truck has to be tagged before you can race a SCORE event. If your truck is upto the current tubing/weight rules you can get it inspected at the event sometimes, but that is not a for sure thing, so it is best to take it to get it done prior. If the truck does not meet the current tubing/weight rules, and is not currently tagged from when they were grandfathering in the non compliant traucks/cars, then it will not pass the inspection, and cannot be raced at a SCORE event.

thankyou for a nice well put brief reply thats what i was looking for.well conclusion no score racing for me in this truck at least but might have a buggy in the works

Hey Dan, have you ever had him weight a vehicle? I've been through over a dozen inspections and have yet to see anyone break out scales....... He did ask what a couple weighed though........

Originally Posted by partybarge_pilot

Hey Dan, have you ever had him weight a vehicle? I've been through over a dozen inspections and have yet to see anyone break out scales....... He did ask what a couple weighed though........

My truck got weighed at Laughlin in 08 because he was trying to be a dick, when he changed his origional inspection rules, but never at his shop. None of the others were weighed everr.



He weighed mine because I told him his rules were bullshit in regards to the terms of his annual inspections after he made just about every car/truck there re inspect when many of them were inspected and tagged/re tagged less than a year prior. He was just trying to make my day tougher since I was calling him out on his nonsense. It was actually a funny conversation.... There were about 70 cars/trucks he was forcing to be re inspected before their year was up since he had just changed his rules prior to the event without notifying the racers. Guess his money was getting tight or something. People were irate to say the least, and I was not happy that tech was taking 4 hours to get threw with less than 100 cars. When he told me that I had to re inspect my car, even though I had just done it and paid for it 4 months prior(per his previous rules of annual before he was going broke), I told him that SCORE really did stand for "Savage Changes Our Rules Everyday". Well his response was "Hey do you want to go to the back of the fucking line!?". My response was just "Sure... Rear start for life brother!!"(I was already within 20 cars of the last spot so it wouldn't matter). Well the scales came out and my truck was disected for about 90 minutes, where he tried to find anything he could to ding me on, but he couldn't, so in the end just told me he is keeping an eye on my truck at EVERY event and can demand a re inspect at any time he wants and charge me for it(which per SCOREs rules he cannot). My tech sticker was on the truck, and the band had been there for a year already so I was good to go for the race. I told him to go fuck himself, and that was the last SCORE race I have done. He is the very worst part of SCORE. The guy is stuck in 1982 and needs to be outed.

1404 was grandfathered in for SCORE. hopefully RATR it will get grandfathered in as well!

Originally Posted by WFODAN

He is the very worst part of SCORE. The guy is stuck in 1982 and needs to be outed.

No argument there.

Your also forgetting the total conflict of interest being a builder and tech rule maker at the same time.

Ya that is the obvious problem with having him do the inspections. However, as I said earlier, he mailed out a few bands without even having to bring the trucks to him. Guess it is just a "who you know" deal.

Originally Posted by WFODAN

My truck got weighed at Laughlin in 08 because he was trying to be a dick, when he changed his origional inspection rules, but never at his shop. None of the others were weighed everr.



He weighed mine because I told him his rules were bullshit in regards to the terms of his annual inspections after he made just about every car/truck there re inspect when many of them were inspected and tagged/re tagged less than a year prior. He was just trying to make my day tougher since I was calling him out on his nonsense. It was actually a funny conversation.... There were about 70 cars/trucks he was forcing to be re inspected before their year was up since he had just changed his rules prior to the event without notifying the racers. Guess his money was getting tight or something. People were irate to say the least, and I was not happy that tech was taking 4 hours to get threw with less than 100 cars. When he told me that I had to re inspect my car, even though I had just done it and paid for it 4 months prior(per his previous rules of annual before he was going broke), I told him that SCORE really did stand for "Savage Changes Our Rules Everyday". Well his response was "Hey do you want to go to the back of the fucking line!?". My response was just "Sure... Rear start for life brother!!"(I was already within 20 cars of the last spot so it wouldn't matter). Well the scales came out and my truck was disected for about 90 minutes, where he tried to find anything he could to ding me on, but he couldn't, so in the end just told me he is keeping an eye on my truck at EVERY event and can demand a re inspect at any time he wants and charge me for it(which per SCOREs rules he cannot). My tech sticker was on the truck, and the band had been there for a year already so I was good to go for the race. I told him to go fuck himself, and that was the last SCORE race I have done. He is the very worst part of SCORE. The guy is stuck in 1982 and needs to be outed.

dang sounds like you've had a rough time with it that blows

On the topic of SCORE, the Baja 1000 is only $3400 to enter this year.