Thread: Mdr? More? Snore? 1450.org?

Warning: I don't work at Deaver anymore, this is a personal opinion.
H-70 is a toyota spring. There have been a lot of part number changes since I left, so I couldn't tell you if H70 is still the high-arch version. The tall one if you measure from an imaginary center line (eye-eye) to the main leaf it should be 15".
G-50s are a ranger spring. 14 leaves is extremely high. On Pete Albano's ranger we used 9 leaves of extra thin material, and his ranger was heavy. The rear-end is swapping back and forth because your springs are too stiff which means you have no droop. Your rebound has to be slow to accomodate the high spring rate, and you axle is not dropping out fast enough because of this. This is bad x 2.
Before I left Deaver, I designed and tested a new light, high-travel spring that I was very happy with. With Jeff's blessing I tried to private label it, but no one wanted to buy it. Still have the design print though...and I do happen to know where 1 never used set is...
Dan: your first pack was 7 leaves. The x-pack was 9 I think with the bottom 3 flattened. I've just now gotten my x-pack to work how I want it (thanks to some help from Pete, like usual). It is, as always, in the rebound damping.

Originally Posted by drtracer93

Warning: I don't work at Deaver anymore, this is a personal opinion.
H-70 is a toyota spring. There have been a lot of part number changes since I left, so I couldn't tell you if H70 is still the high-arch version. The tall one if you measure from an imaginary center line (eye-eye) to the main leaf it should be 15".
G-50s are a ranger spring. 14 leaves is extremely high. On Pete Albano's ranger we used 9 leaves of extra thin material, and his ranger was heavy. The rear-end is swapping back and forth because your springs are too stiff which means you have no droop. Your rebound has to be slow to accomodate the high spring rate, and you axle is not dropping out fast enough because of this. This is bad x 2.
Before I left Deaver, I designed and tested a new light, high-travel spring that I was very happy with. With Jeff's blessing I tried to private label it, but no one wanted to buy it. Still have the design print though...and I do happen to know where 1 never used set is...
Dan: your first pack was 7 leaves. The x-pack was 9 I think with the bottom 3 flattened. I've just now gotten my x-pack to work how I want it (thanks to some help from Pete, like usual). It is, as always, in the rebound damping.

are they a 64" spring? what would it cost to build the pack now days? i have a crap set up to get me by that was yard sale fabbed.

Umm...I listed 3 different springs, but none of them are 64". The toyota springs are 61.5", the ranger springs are somewhere around 57.5" long.

Cost depends. Custom springs from Deaver are $700-800 usually. If I could get 5 people to commit I could probably make that $600-700 (maybe more, maybe less). I'd have to call Jeff up about that. I was planning on doing this with toyota springs too since I've got 3 trucks needing them. Both the toyota and ranger setup have been thoroughly race-tested.

E-mail me at drtracer93@yahoo.com if you're interested.

k. i guess is just assuemed they would be longer instead of a bolt in.

longer springs mean more axle wrap or all springs would be 6 feet long. the only reason to go longer on a ranger is if you are going under the axle, in which case Giant has a great kit for you.
I've been able to get 18" of usable real world travel from stock location (okay, flipped shackle mount) ranger springs. Real world means no crazy amounts of negative arch at bump and no leaf springs seperating for your droop. That stuff doesn't count.

Did I hi-jack this thread?

Ok i just read this whole post and ill i keep seeing is 1450, is that just slang for both 1400 and 1450 or do majority of you guys not run 1400? it just seems like for another 150 would be worth it for the chance to win money, am I wrong? Also I am thinking maybe the SNORE for my first season definately mdr over more now... what about that drive series?

my plans are at least two sportsman races this year and then next year full 1400 series

snore is a really fun series. ive been doing it this year. by far the most fun races.

i just went to snore site... i like the idea of doing class 7 but i need to get a different front suspension im 2" to wide

get some rims with more backspacing it's easier than a new front end. Also it's trackiwidth. not bulge to bulge on the tire.s

i have those expensive 15x8 kmc with 4.5 backspacing... and isnt trackwidt from outside tread to outside tread?

trackwidth is the width of the track you leave when you drive. It's edge of tread to edge of tread.

SNORE is a great org to race but beings you are in Bakersfield I would only consider Battle at Primm (car count), Midnight Special in Ridgecrest (close), and Laughlin RATR (car count).

Snore 1450 says it's not a pro class so what does that mean compared to class 7? How much would it cost to run a snore 1450 race?

1450 is a sportsman class. This means they run less laps than the pro classes(class 7, etc..) and also have a lower entry fee. Usually less than half the fee of their pro classes. You can go on SNOREs site and look up the entry fees for each race.

Originally Posted by slcpunk74

Snore 1450 says it's not a pro class so what does that mean compared to class 7? How much would it cost to run a snore 1450 race?

well if you go to their website there is a price listed and it depends on the race so u can call snore.... or you can go to snoreracing.net then click where it says entry fees and not be lazy but i was feeling nice so i copied the website now u just need to read
http://www.snoreracing.net/entry-fees.html

thanks guys. So no payback for 1450? I didn't see any specific rules for the class... "Production mini or full-size truck, unlimited. Must have a steel cab, working steel doors. Fenders, hood and bed sides any material. Must meet safety requirements. Not a Pro Class." So engine and suspension are completely open?

Originally Posted by slcpunk74

thanks guys. So no payback for 1450? I didn't see any specific rules for the class... "Production mini or full-size truck, unlimited. Must have a steel cab, working steel doors. Fenders, hood and bed sides any material. Must meet safety requirements. Not a Pro Class." So engine and suspension are completely open?

Pretty much no rules except the cab and doors....no payback because you only pay half the entry fee....a true bragging rights only class...

Originally Posted by FCORR

Pretty much no rules except the cab and doors....no payback because you only pay half the entry fee....a true bragging rights only class...

Hmm... Wheels are turning. Yeah I like this idea.