Thread: New MDR Rules

Originally Posted by WFODAN

Engine must be of the same make as the truck. No Chevy motors in Toyotas etc..

What class is this referring too?? 1400??

I am builing my Ranger for 1450 and plan to run a Chevy 383

You can run it in 1400 or 1450, not the new 1500 class.

Thanks scott

Originally Posted by GREGASAURUS REX

those trucks are badass

the truck is clean. got it for free about 7 years ago and was going to build it as a race truck but was all cought up in building a chevy

Originally Posted by trever leach

I have a 1971 ranger that came stock with a 351w

cool looks like you can run a v-8 in a ranger now...

I am having a tough time reading some of these posts already.....


I will try and cover what is obvious that I feel is being overlooked.


Simon.... 1400 has NOT changed. If you wanted to race that class last week, then you will still want to this week. NOTHING has changed.


AJ.... Your truck will be good to go as the upper arm is still in the stock location. Just without the cross shaft, along with the lower arm being mounted to the stock mount.



Tool.... You are killing me brother!! I think the class is going to be a huge success. Mini trucks must run a 4 or 6 cyl that is manufactured for the make/model of the truck that does not exceed the 4 or 6 cyl rule. Full size trucks can run the same 6 cyl or V8s offered in there trucks or current models.


T100s NEVER came with a V8, so no the 4.7(not 4.8) is NOT legal in it. yes, you can update your older Tundra to the newer 5.7 Toyota V8 if you choose.



SUVs can run the same V8 that is offered for them. If you want to run a leaf sprung 4 runner or explorer with the V8s offered for them then it is legal. I don't see ANY showing up though.




Tom.... No equal length beams. They travel on a totally different arc than the factory mounted beams, and are not on the factory beam mount, so they are out. Equal length beams are getting too far away from a production bolt on class also.




As for 1500 being a pro class... This is what the class is. We DON'T need another sportsman class. The target trucks for this class will be 7s, 7sx, class 3, stock mini, stock full, and leaf sprung legal 1450s. All but one of those classes is a pro class. You will NOT draw ANY of the other trucks out of their outdated pro classes with 1500 being a sportsman class. We don't need another 4 truck class in the field. This class will draw high numbers once it get rolling. Also as I said, WE as racers don't need ANOTHER Sportsman class. All the laps is part of ALL pro classes also.

so quick question, an old explorer can run a 302 since it came in the new explorer's correct?? If so I might know what i'm gonna build if I sell my truck..

An Explorer is a mini truck though.

Bring out the old explorer with a 302 in it. Just make sure it fits the cab rules. Must have a complete steel cab. Also, all doors must open and close from inside and out using factory hinges and latches along with functioning handles.


If you can do that with an Explorer or 4Runner, and want to spend the time/money to put an updated make/model specific V8 in it, then you are good to go.


I have yet to see one with this setup work anything worth mentioning in the dirt vs. a mini truck so your work will be cut out for you. Good Times!!

May as well just draw the line on all minis being 4 or 6 cylinders, and fullsize 6 or 8 cylinders. I'd say bore/stroke should be stock as well.

This makes me wish i had my truck the way it use to be at the end of 06. Minus breaking the leaf springs every 15 miles I do miss getting to screw with AJ though

Originally Posted by fcorr

i really like it jerry! Couple quick questions perhaps you or dan can answer regarding my truck and 1500 trucks in general:

-a 3.4 v-6 in my toyota pickup (originally came with a 22re) is legal correct?
-cutting the stock upper a-arm cross-shafts and mounts off and replacing with heims in the stock locations is legal as well?
-any limit on shocks? Dual shock, 3.0s and up ok?

I really like it! When can we start? Lol

-a.j.

i had the same problem as you aj. But i didnt heim my upper arm just made new brackets in stock location. I would love to run in the 1500 class

Sounds good Dan! Have you guys started talking with any companies to get some large paybacks for this class? That will attract the numbers alone. I think a company like Deaver or National should jump at the opportunity to put some money into this class, this class is a perfect representation of their products!

I dont agree with running all the laps in 1500..

I like this new class. Pretty much like 7s though with some changes or updates if you will. I think you should at least allow a frame notch though. I wanna build another truck now. Someone bring your truck by so I can get started building it. lol

Originally Posted by WFODAN

I have yet to see one with this setup work anything worth mentioning in the dirt vs. a mini truck so your work will be cut out for you. Good Times!!

sounds like a challenge..


any takers?

Originally Posted by 85yota

so quick question, an old explorer can run a 302 since it came in the new explorer's correct?? If so I might know what i'm gonna build if I sell my truck..

see below. better not start

Originally Posted by WFODAN

Bring out the old explorer with a 302 in it. Just make sure it fits the cab rules. Must have a complete steel cab. Also, all doors must open and close from inside and out using factory hinges and latches along with functioning handles.


If you can do that with an Explorer or 4Runner, and want to spend the time/money to put an updated make/model specific V8 in it, then you are good to go.


I have yet to see one with this setup work anything worth mentioning in the dirt vs. a mini truck so your work will be cut out for you. Good Times!!

yes it takes alot of time,money, work. I would stay the hell away from those.

Originally Posted by simon5ay5

sounds like a challenge..


any takers?

go for it

Originally Posted by trever leach

go for it

u mean acutally finish this thing.. that will be the day..



except i dont know if a v8 in a 2door is legal


ps.. what about a expidition? does it have to be converted back to leafs because it comes linked stock.

Originally Posted by ozh88

I dont agree with running all the laps in 1500..

Tough, its sounds like a done deal.

Originally Posted by simon5ay5

ps.. what about a expidition? does it have to be converted back to leafs because it comes linked stock.

Yes. Rules are not "stock style rear" they are LEAF SPRINGS with solid front mount. Not that hard!

Actually, i think that is a good question.

It's a LEAF spring class. If you have a vehicle that came stock with links then race another class.

The rules need to eliminate as much interpretation of the rules as possible.

The questions/ideas being put up on this board should really be taken into consideration.

Originally Posted by simon5ay5

u mean acutally finish this thing.. that will be the day..



except i dont know if a v8 in a 2door is legal


ps.. what about a expidition? does it have to be converted back to leafs because it comes linked stock.

do it dawg!

and why would you want to run those crappy short links anyways

All great questions ... 1500 is a rear leaf spring class (read first post), so no links allowed. If you want to enter a Expedition or new explorer and convert it to leaf springs, go for it ... one more 1500 entry. I dont see that happening though. If not, 1400 or 1450 is your class to enter.

Once the rules are available from MDR their will be no mis-understanding of what the new class requires.

- Scott

what about a v8 in a 2 door exploder? is that ok?

Originally Posted by simon5ay5

what about a v8 in a 2 door exploder? is that ok?

I would say yes

I have a new idea for everyone with questions. First, read the damn thread! They have answered most of them already....read slower if needed! Second, WAIT TILL MDR POSTS THE RULES! The race isn't tomorrow and I bet you aren't making that cruitial decision that makes you in or out of 1500 tomorrow....just wait!

I am not a racer by any means, but I would like to race one day.

I think it would be cool for it also be single shock per corner along with a 6cly maximum. I know that is not going to happen, but that would keep it more budget in my mind. Full sizes came with 6clys too

It seems to me like the truck would be an extra cab or single cab f-1 with a 351, 64 pack, and wide beams.

Maybe I will race this race one of these days

Originally Posted by WannaB-Class5

Second, WAIT TILL MDR POSTS THE RULES! The race isn't tomorrow and I bet you aren't making that cruitial decision that makes you in or out of 1500 tomorrow....just wait!

Correct. The race is just over 4 weeks away.

alright, tried looking through but maybe im missing somthing.

1400 can have F/G cabs now? as stated in the first post. Was that a rule change from the beginning of this year that i missed since the later posts say nothing has changed for 1400?

Just need some clarification.

appreciate you guys taking initiative to do what you can to bring more people out to the races.

Originally Posted by masta-t

alright, tried looking through but maybe im missing somthing.

1400 can have F/G cabs now? as stated in the first post. Was that a rule change from the beginning of this year that i missed since the later posts say nothing has changed for 1400?

Just need some clarification.

appreciate you guys taking initiative to do what you can to bring more people out to the races.

Correct. The glass cab rule has been allowed in 1400 since the Night race last year.

Originally Posted by 04yfzkid

I am not a racer by any means, but I would like to race one day.

I think it would be cool for it also be single shock per corner along with a 6cly maximum. I know that is not going to happen, but that would keep it more budget in my mind. Full sizes came with 6clys too

It seems to me like the truck would be an extra cab or single cab f-1 with a 351, 64 pack, and wide beams.

Maybe I will race this race one of these days

I would thing a single shock rule will make you spend more money, because your advantage would be getting a 4” shock with "one off" custom coil springs witch cost more then 2-2.5 shocks.

Limit shock size according to vehicle size. like suggested in the other thread, 2.5s for minis and 3.0s for fullsizes.

then everyone would build a fullsize. they can be somewhat light weight and handle. keep the rules how they are, and put a max trackwidth otherwise I could see some wide ass rangers with 64"s racing this class.

Originally Posted by 85yota

put a max trackwidth

In the spirit off keeping a budget class, 84" which is 7 feet, is the about as wide as you can make the inner loading area of a regular, dual axle, car hauler trailer. After the fenders and wheels are on, it's just under needing a wide load sign. Any wider than 84" and you would need a rollover trailer, which adds a good amount to the overall cost of the trailer.


Random .02 cents


carry on

Rules are good as they stand. No need for more, keep it simple.

Originally Posted by 85yota

put a max trackwidth otherwise I could see some wide ass rangers with 64"s racing this class.

whats wrong with wide rangers with 64s? Does that scare you or something?

Originally Posted by 1450ranger

I would thing a single shock rule will make you spend more money, because your advantage would be getting a 4” shock with "one off" custom coil springs witch cost more then 2-2.5 shocks.

Never thought about it this way, but that is very true.


On the motor though, why wouldn't everyone build as light as they can full size with a big v8? That seems like it would be the ticket. In my opinion that would through the whole 4cyl mini truck out the window. I know I have a lot to learn, so if anyone could point out a reason why people wouldn't do this (other then cost ), I am all ears .

Originally Posted by 04yfzkid

Never thought about it this way, but that is very true.


On the motor though, why wouldn't everyone build as light as they can full size with a big v8? That seems like it would be the ticket. In my opinion that would through the whole 4cyl mini truck out the window. I know I have a lot to learn, so if anyone could point out a reason why people wouldn't do this (other then cost ), I am all ears .

You can make a 6 cly be pretty peppy, I think it would have to with preferences and cost.

I think with limitations you would need to spend more money to gain an advantage, if there’s less rules you can have good speeds with less spending.

The limitations just need to be well thought out so as to not allow 4.0 shocks, 4.3 liter Busch motors, etc.

A revision of 7s is how I see it.

I'm still up in the air about the full sizes running with the minis. The production based classes have always been divided by the size of the vehicle.

Originally Posted by Travisfab

The limitations just need to be well thought out so as to not allow 4.0 shocks, 4.3 liter Busch motors, etc.

A revision of 7s is how I see it.

I'm still up in the air about the full sizes running with the minis. The production based classes have always been divided by the size of the vehicle.

what fullsize trucks have you seen that race these races, MDR or MORE, that have a big motor and leaf springs, not many. nobody can keep from breaking springs with a big motor. there unreliable!! i say bring it. there going to have there share of problems!!