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    Default How to convert 4 Lug drums to 5 Lug??

    When converting a 4 lug drum (69--) to a 5 lug drum (58'-68'), what needs to be done?
    I heard that a spacer needs to be used when using 5 lug drums on an IRS, but not sure what size spacer and/or where it goes. I know the 4 lugs can be re drilled for 5 lug but don't want to fork over that much cash if its not needed.

    I also heard that thing drums were 5 lug IRS, and bolt right up without any mods needing to be done, but are also very hard to find.

    Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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    any vw shop will have the spacers they are like 3/4" or less, just did this to my dads bug. i got mine from car-craft in riverside.
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    did mine. Was a pain in the ass!! If i remember correctly i trimmed a little bit of the center of the backing plate to fit the square thing that has 4 12mm bolts ??!!! does that help at all.!?

    basically i had 4 lug and 5 lug and took everything apart and put it back together so everything fit on the 5 lug backing plate. May sound hack but it was pretty simple.

    my post is pretty unuseful huh??!!!

    i may have some helpful pics in my album...if you wanna check it out. idk.
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    with the spacer, where does it go? after the drum is on before the axle nut?

    also, does the backing plate from 5 lug bolt up to the arms?
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    now i feel like a jack ass cuz i cant remember........

    im thinking i may have used 5 lug backing plates with 4 lugh brakes and stuff......
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    It goes between the axle nut and the drum. Also I'm fairly confident the you can use the four lug backing plates on the five lug drums but the five lug ones do bolt up. And for the front all you would need is 66-67 front drums.

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    my car is a 65 and when i converted it to irs we just put all the five hole stuff on the arms, and made spacers out of i think solid steel. you might consider some 5 lug type 3 brakes if you can find them, they're bigger diameter and width.

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    I'm too lazy today, but if you search the internet well, you will find conversion drums. They bolt right on to your 4 lug stuff, but have the 5 lug pattern. To be clear, are you trying to convert to "Wide 5" which is 5 on 205mm or the "5-lug" which is 5 on 130mm pattern?

    If the wide 5, then you can find conversion parts.

    http://www2.cip1.com/SearchResults.a...nversion+drums
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    Quote Originally Posted by WannaB-Class5 View Post
    I'm too lazy today, but if you search the internet well, you will find conversion drums. They bolt right on to your 4 lug stuff, but have the 5 lug pattern. To be clear, are you trying to convert to "Wide 5" which is 5 on 205mm or the "5-lug" which is 5 on 130mm pattern?

    If the wide 5, then you can find conversion parts.

    http://www2.cip1.com/SearchResults.a...nversion+drums
    oh i didnt realize there was both. I thought all 5 lug VW was con considered 5 wide? And arent all vw rims 5 wide, even stock?
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    Nope. really early vw rims are wide 5 but most of the time when you hear 5 lug vw rims, they are talking 5 on 130mm, or "stock 5 lug" Wide 5 is what all racers run and they are wider obviously 5 on 205mm. Anyway if you are converting you want wide 5!
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    Quote Originally Posted by WannaB-Class5 View Post
    Nope. really early vw rims are wide 5 but most of the time when you hear 5 lug vw rims, they are talking 5 on 130mm, or "stock 5 lug" Wide 5 is what all racers run and they are wider obviously 5 on 205mm. Anyway if you are converting you want wide 5!
    I am converting so ill def pick up some on the conversion drums. As far as the front, I was planning on running stock 5 lug rims. Do you know what year they stopped making 5 wide? Im finding a ton of stock rims on the samba but lots of them just say a year and not a size. Basically i need to find ones that match my drums
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    1946 to 1957 if I remember correctly....I doubt you will find any that old! Anything from '58 until 4 lug should fit your stock 5 lug.
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    Wide five stopped in 67. but 65 was the last year of the linkpin front with wide five. So any pre 67 type 1 rim will be wide five.

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    Baker I don't agree. I'm not sure how to confirm this, but I know 100% for sure 1964 did NOT run "Wide 5" (again that is 5 on 205mm lug pattern). 1964 was stock 5 lug which is 5 on 130mm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WannaB-Class5 View Post
    Baker I don't agree. I'm not sure how to confirm this, but I know 100% for sure 1964 did NOT run "Wide 5" (again that is 5 on 205mm lug pattern). 1964 was stock 5 lug which is 5 on 130mm.
    I will have to disagree Pahl. My first car was a 64 and it was Wide 5. The only cars that really ran the narrow 5 was the Porsche based cars and some of the later model vans.

    Wide 5 went all the way to 67 as mentioned earlier.
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    So why is my old 64 turned sand rail (but all stock parts kept) the crappy 5 on 130? We had to sell some wide 5 rims because they didn't fit. Oh well! That car/rail was always a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WannaB-Class5 View Post
    So why is my old 64 turned sand rail (but all stock parts kept) the crappy 5 on 130? We had to sell some wide 5 rims because they didn't fit. Oh well! That car/rail was always a problem.
    Sounds like someone put some Porsche drums on it. They were wider and used the wider Thing brake pads. The Porsches always had better brakes than the same year VW.
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