Thread: 7200 Advise?

Our race team currently races 1900 BITD, and were now looking to do 7200 in 2009. I was wondering if you guys had any advise or tips?

Thanks in advance.

-Carson

Originally Posted by forty1nation

Our race team currently races 1900 BITD, and were now looking to do 7200 in 2009. I was wondering if you guys had any advise or tips?

Thanks in advance.

-Carson

Run a camburg sticker.

From what I have seen from pictures alone, it looks to be a pretty competitve, expensive class. Start doing your research on the best V6 you can afford and build around it.

Whats the best v6 for 7200? As in most horsepower with most reliability.

SCR24: ENGINE LOCATION & DISPLACEMENT Engine is limited to a six cylinder. Engine may be relocated as needed on chassis, there are no placement restrictions. Turbochargers and Superchargers are allowed. See SCR33, pg 20.



that was taken straight from the BITD rule book. If i were going to run this class i would build a chevy 4.3 motor. It doesnt seem to state in the rules that you cant use another manufacturers engine. and the 4.3s can be built up to well over 300 HP and ive even heard of 400 in race applications.

And did anyone else notice that it says you can run forced induction. Pretty cool i think that is a first for a race promoter to do that in a Pro class besides MDR.

engines must be naturaly asperated, no superchargers or tubos allowed. Casey revised the rules. It is a super fun class and the competition is unbelievable. Every race this season we have had over 20 entries. That is a great turnout, the class is growing so fast.

Originally Posted by ibeamford

Run a camburg sticker.

huh?

....If we could go back and the budget was even higher, then a bowtie would be in the truck for sure. What kind of truck are you racing right now?? The only thing that certain teams are freaking out about is trackwidth, so make sure you are not over 85" from outside of tire. We literally squeaked (like measuring apperatis sp*, squeaked onto tires) through the measuring process, built to perfect class specs....THANKS CAMBURG

Originally Posted by ibeamford

Run a camburg sticker.

I dont want my front teeth punched out!

Originally Posted by Tron3000

engines must be naturaly asperated, no superchargers or tubos allowed. Casey revised the rules. It is a super fun class and the competition is unbelievable. Every race this season we have had over 20 entries. That is a great turnout, the class is growing so fast.

Yeah thats awesome, we just want to progress into a bigger better class and 7200 seems like the way to go.
IMO

I currently have a Chevy bow tie motor that is roughly based off the 4.3, and my motor is putting out more than 450 hp, but this is strictly a race motor with quite a bit of work done to it.

That motor is the shit, it definately takes more time and maintanence to run the bowtie V6's over the SOHC 4.0. Our motor now is a $900 junkyard motor with some minor tweaks. I run the hell out of it and change the oil and air filter every race and run it again. They are relentless and take a beating. The chevys get way more HP's but you have to leak them down, adjust valves, do valve jobs more frequently, and you have to run an expensive engine management system. Definately the way to go if cost is not an issue. With the Bowtie motors you usually buy an engine program not just an engine. Most builders want them back after every racel.

Originally Posted by NeverLift

I dont want my front teeth punched out!

What do you mean by this?

Originally Posted by Zyntel Racing

I currently have a Chevy bow tie motor that is roughly based off the 4.3, and my motor is putting out more than 450 hp, but this is strictly a race motor with quite a bit of work done to it.

Thats gotta motivate the truck very nicely haha.
how's your reliability on that motor?

Originally Posted by Tron3000

That motor is the shit, it definately takes more time and maintanence to run the bowtie V6's over the SOHC 4.0. Our motor now is a $900 junkyard motor with some minor tweaks. I run the hell out of it and change the oil and air filter every race and run it again. They are relentless and take a beating. The chevys get way more HP's but you have to leak them down, adjust valves, do valve jobs more frequently, and you have to run an expensive engine management system. Definately the way to go if cost is not an issue. With the Bowtie motors you usually buy an engine program not just an engine. Most builders want them back after every racel.

Very well put but, the 4.0 has most likely gotten you to the finish more times than not though right?

Definately, Juanco performance did some mods to it, the motor puts an honest 215 to the ground through a c4 trans and 35" projects. I run it at 6500 rpm's all day long and it never runs over 180 degrees.

Originally Posted by Tron3000

Definately, Juanco performance did some mods to it, the motor puts an honest 215 to the ground through a c4 trans and 35" projects. I run it at 6500 rpm's all day long and it never runs over 180 degrees.

thats pretty cool keeping it simple.

Here is the motor you want if you have the $

its only $16500.00

http://www.race-dezert.com/cgi-bin/t...second&id=1168

Originally Posted by 951yota

Here is the motor you want if you have the $

its only $16500.00

http://www.race-dezert.com/cgi-bin/t...second&id=1168

thats pretty damn good.
haha

From Caseys mouth: The motor does not have to match the body of the truck.

You can run forced induction if it is a diesel. It is likely there wont be in diesels in this class though.

Originally Posted by baja619

From Caseys mouth: The motor does not have to match the body of the truck.

You can run forced induction if it is a diesel. It is likely there wont be in diesels in this class though.

yeah its cool but, it seems highly unlikely.
then again someone will most likely attempt it one day.

Anyone running a toyota 3.4? Can't beat the dependability, and it runs a hell of a lot better than a 4.0 ford off the showroom floor.

Originally Posted by ibeamford

Run a camburg sticker.

Exactly .... if you're running a Camburg sticker, more than likely you are running some of the best parts on your truck that have been truly proven time and time again. Plus other companies will want to get involved with you and your race efforts since you're working with such a well respected company. Sounds like a win win situation to me

My advice would be to go out to the races and talk to the racers. You're only get get so much correct advice from people on here. Everyone thinks they are an expert or have some wise ass remark since they are bored hiding behind a computer.


John Vaughn... don't know what your deal is with this post and others lately since we have helped you out so much over the years and have done nothing but help you.

- Scott

I guess I am not the only one that has lost some respect for the Camburg brand because of the way the owner of a sponsored truck handles himself.

DezertRacer ..... Im not sure what you're referring to but should I lose respect for Geoff at Giant and his company if I dont get along with a GIANT sponsored truck ... NO, It doesnt have a direct relation. If that was the case their would be alot of people that dont respect him & his company and you could say that about every company on and offroad.

You have an MDR image as your avatar, you're promoting and endorsing them like a sponsored racer would ... should I not like MDR if I dont agree with you on here?

Lets keep this topic on track .....


- Scott @ Camburg

Originally Posted by DezertRacer

I guess I am not the only one that has lost some respect for the Camburg brand because of the way the owner of a sponsored truck handles himself.

if you have not relized EVERYONE on DR is totally different then the way they are out at a race. find out who they are before you make a stupid comment like that.

personally i dont agree with the way some of the people on the board conduct them sevles via the internet but in "real life" those same people are some of the best people i know.

i do not dis associate my self with anyone in the industry and i am proud to say that i have many giant, total choas, camburg etc related friends.

Gregg

Originally Posted by shorty2305

Anyone running a toyota 3.4? Can't beat the dependability, and it runs a hell of a lot better than a 4.0 ford off the showroom floor.

The current points leader for 7200 is a toyota, not sure what motor he is running but maybe someone on here know?

he is running a 4.0....but currently the truck is getting a complete new setup. Not my business to air out the details, but ill just say its not gonna have "our minds are always racing, or technology on a fast track" on it any longer.

....as previously stated, the best motor program to go with is by far the 4.3 bowtie. I LOVE the 4.0 for its easy power and SUPER reliability, but the 4.3 just pumps out double HP wise.

Hmmm. I didn't know that sean got rid of the 3.4 for the 4.0...... either way he is just another 1450 truck whooping up on those fast 7200 trucks.. (I kid so don't get in an uproar)

Shawn is kicking ass in points right now, thats awesome. Vegas 2 Reno is gonna be interesting to see where everyone ends up afterwards. Hardest thing with that is support.

- Scott

Originally Posted by motoxscott

Shawn is kicking ass in points right now, thats awesome. Vegas 2 Reno is gonna be interesting to see where everyone ends up afterwards. Hardest thing with that is support.

- Scott

X2 It's a hard race to support but, in the end it's very fun.

I'm not the expert, but from what I have heard and from a couple converstions with local engine builders, the best way to go about a 7200 engine would be to find a builder with a proven setup. There are several 7200 trucks in the works around or over the 500hp mark. SO a slightly built stock 6cyl. prob. won't get you on the podium on power alone. I think big block fords minus 2 cylinder fully built has been the consensus since you can get like 5+litres of displacement.

My plan and maybe if somebody else likes it we can work together to develop, would be a 4.3litre basis, stroked, and packin 11/1 comp. with high end components. I think realistically this setup could deliver a reliable/torquey 400+hp to the ground and be a pretty affordable setup.(after initial prototype process) a fully built 4.0 toyota motor could get you close to that as well for a few more bucks. with overhead cams this would be my choice if $ didn't matter.

just speculation from some guy with limited experience...

4.3 is the best option in our eyes, but it will take some big bucks to build and maintain.....we'll stick to the mild SOHC and KEEP beating everyone in the rough. I have yet to have a problem with our motor, while the "built motor" trucks have consistent issues.

ya it's a fine line between reliable power and fully built. I think a lot of people forget how hard/long these motors are pushed. Thats why I basically want a 383stroker minus 2 cylinders, too bad the firing order doesn't allow a modified stroker crank to just drop in...

here is the biggest deciding factor.....do you want a motor? or a motor program?

....the difference is HUGE

Originally Posted by RCinqMars

here is the biggest deciding factor.....do you want a motor? or a motor program?

....the difference is HUGE

depends on how big your wallet is.

Originally Posted by matt_helton

depends on how big your wallet is.

just like if you want a racecar or a race program...

We have three 4.5l ford motors for are new truck and they all have about 475hp. On one of the motors we have were going to try and get 500+. But will have to see what happens. Are old truck truck has a stock 4.0l and leaf springs and we took third in class over high horse trucks.
-ANDY
LOST BOYS RACING #7227

Originally Posted by yaabrother1

We have three 4.5l ford motors for are new truck and they all have about 475hp. On one of the motors we have were going to try and get 500+. But will have to see what happens. Are old truck truck has a stock 4.0l and leaf springs and we took third in class over high horse trucks.
-ANDY
LOST BOYS RACING #7227

..... which race? Parker?

Originally Posted by RCinqMars

..... which race? Parker?

No, it was at the silver state 300. At Parker we were racing some crappy truck we bought off of biker Sherlock. It got nerfed real bad by a one car so we got a DNF. The truck is the biggest piece of crap ever. at Vegas to Reno the whole front end fell off at checkpoint 4 or 6 don't remember. are old truck with leafs is better than the second one we have. but the new one's even better. we will be racing it next season when its complete.
-ANDY

the 4.5l Ford is the motor we run in our truck now and also in the rough rider explorer before that. Very, very reliable when built right!!

Originally Posted by yaabrother1

We have three 4.5l ford motors for are new truck and they all have about 475hp. On one of the motors we have were going to try and get 500+. But will have to see what happens. Are old truck truck has a stock 4.0l and leaf springs and we took third in class over high horse trucks.
-ANDY
LOST BOYS RACING #7227

You're talking about the 4.5l svo V6 correct(Busch motor)? Where the hell did you guys get 3 complete motors from? I've been doing some research on these things over the past week or so, and they seem to be the holy grail of Ford V6 motors. Few if any are up for sale, and those who have them, do not want to get rid of them.

And my research shows, stock these things put out 500-550bhp.

Anyone have a line on one of these things?

-Markus-