Thread: score has new class 7 rules???

anyone know about the new score rules for the 7 open, i heard they where gonna be like the bitd 7200....

RDC rumors were saying that 7 Open wasnt going to change but they were going to make a new class all together like 7200 and possibly 4 inches wider on the maximum of 7200.

according to Sal/Savage last week.....the class will be indentical to BITD 7200 rules and will be completely seperate from produciton 7open. They want to keep the class around so Dan Chamlee can keep "racing" himself......since its such a "competitive" class now.

Originally Posted by RCinqMars

according to Sal/Savage last week.....the class will be indentical to BITD 7200 rules and will be completely seperate from produciton 7open. They want to keep the class around so Dan Chamlee can keep "racing" himself......since its such a "competitive" class now.

where was this at chingy? i lik this rule if its going to happen.

Originally Posted by RCinqMars

They want to keep the class around so Dan Chamlee can keep "racing" himself......since its such a "competitive" class now.

no the reason they are keeping it is so they still have a production class. because 7200 has nothing to do with production anything.

Oh Chamlee, what is production on your truck, fraim rails and that is probably it. Come on yester year, you post your race reports "Chamlee wins again", how many trucks even showed for 7 open? That class is dead and a joke. When you can win with a motor that is burning four courts of oil every 100 miles.........must be some stiff competition. I race 7200 with a production truck, and it is damn competetive too. Glad to see score opened there eyes and got with the times.

So where do the 7200's start as far as order in score? Anybody

lol so cocky jhaha, whats up w/ that 35?!?! your boys still have some laying around? ill call ya later if your gonna be around

[QUOTE=Tron3000;1052374] I race 7200 with a production truck, and it is damn competetive too.

one question. whats so production about your truck. frame rails. and maybe a motor??? serious question.

Originally Posted by GFORacing1404DJF

serious question.

priceless.....

....its just as "production" as any other class 7, Ross is only heated because Chamlee came out guns blazing against 7200. He has been the only hater to constantly voice his opinion. Keeping the rules the same, not taking any technological advances into scope of things. Guess he likes getting passed by buggies instead of passing them.....and "racing" 3to4 trucks every race.

Originally Posted by RCinqMars

priceless.....

....its just as "production" as any other class 7, Ross is only heated because Chamlee came out guns blazing against 7200. He has been the only hater to constantly voice his opinion. Keeping the rules the same, not taking any technological advances into scope of things. Guess he likes getting passed by buggies instead of passing them.....and "racing" 3to4 trucks every race.

umm yeah we want the rules the same and no changes... right.... thats why we took the time to re right out the entire rule book make changes and then post them up on rdc so we could discuss all of them and everyone just ignored them... guess they didnt even read them, i guess that was just a big waiste of our time...and this whole 'chamlee' is the only one against it is crap. Every score racer we have talked to about this doesnt want the rule changes and has agreed that our changes make more since than any of the rule changes that the bitd guys want.

it has the fiberglass cab on it now right?

Originally Posted by GFORacing1404DJF

it has the fiberglass cab on it now right?

steel roof and steel doors and most the original cab still.

Originally Posted by RCinqMars

priceless.....

....its just as "production" as any other class 7, Ross is only heated because Chamlee came out guns blazing against 7200. He has been the only hater to constantly voice his opinion. Keeping the rules the same, not taking any technological advances into scope of things. Guess he likes getting passed by buggies instead of passing them.....and "racing" 3to4 trucks every race.

Passing buggys? ha Just giving you shit.

Originally Posted by RCinqMars

priceless.....

....its just as "production" as any other class 7, Ross is only heated because Chamlee came out guns blazing against 7200. He has been the only hater to constantly voice his opinion. Keeping the rules the same, not taking any technological advances into scope of things. Guess he likes getting passed by buggies instead of passing them.....and "racing" 3to4 trucks every race.

guess when rossler drives his SCORE legal 7 truck in 7200 and mashes on everyone, he isnt racing?!?! lol yea thats rights, hes flying! fuck the rules, people are still getting beat by a pretty old now 7 truck...

Originally Posted by DoWN4GLaMiS

guess when rossler drives his SCORE legal 7 truck in 7200 and mashes on everyone, he isnt racing?!?! lol yea thats rights, hes flying! fuck the rules, people are still getting beat by a pretty old now 7 truck...

i love how you guys keep comparing current class 7 trucks to the current 7200 trucks... thats not what is important... compare a class 7 truck to what your rules allow not what has showed up so far...

lets see... 72000 unlimited, besides v6 85"

7 open... frame rail, 79" track widrth, stock motor placement, no increase or decrease in wheel base from motor position, cab position, rear end type, front suspension type...

i beams will still kick ass! even ross thought so!

Originally Posted by DoWN4GLaMiS

guess when rossler drives his SCORE legal 7 truck in 7200 and mashes on everyone, he isnt racing?!?! lol yea thats rights, hes flying! fuck the rules, people are still getting beat by a pretty old now 7 truck...

for the record rosseler has not driven in a couple years, Jason Ruane is running the show.....and a very good driver at that. However, and a big however, prep and mechanical failures have plagued that truck all season. Our lap times have been very close all season......Jason would admit that too.

what is the difference between 7272 and Score 7open? our trackwidth is 85" , the motor is pushed back a little, and a little frame notch........ THATS ALL FOLKS. Obviously the trackwidth argument does not matter because look at what Ruane and Swift can do. Soooo why not just open the SCORE 7open rules for 85" trackwidth??

Chamlee doesn't want the trackwidth rules opened farther than a new wheel would allow his truck to achieve. He doesn't want to build or buy new suspension parts. He just wants it to be an inch or two wider, so wheels can take care of it. Throw the stupid out of date 7 open rules in the trash!! Savage can't seem to get out of 1980 but I would think the racers of the dieing 7 open class at SCORE would be able to see the benefits of doing so. If not then screw them.... Let them race by themselves forever. Make a new class and their dead class will finally die completely.

I talked for a long time to AJ from Baja Shop about changing the rules, and at first he didn't want to. Then after just asking him if he likes just racing Chamlee race after race, and looking at the fact that no new SCORE legal 7 opens have appeared for a few years now, he started to agree. After looking at the entrees for 7200 he is now in 100% agreeance for adopting the BITD rules to the SCORE class. Technology has changed mini truck racing over the last 20 years. The rules should reflect this.

Originally Posted by DoWN4GLaMiS

lets see... 72000 unlimited, besides v6 85"

7 open... frame rail, 79" track widrth, stock motor placement, no increase or decrease in wheel base from motor position, cab position, rear end type, front suspension type...

i beams will still kick ass! even ross thought so!

have you even read our proposed rule changes?

Originally Posted by WFODAN

Chamlee doesn't want the trackwidth rules opened farther than a new wheel would allow his truck to achieve. He doesn't want to build or buy new suspension parts. He just wants it to be an inch or two wider, so wheels can take care of it. Throw the stupid out of date 7 open rules in the trash!! Savage can't seem to get out of 1980 but I would think the racers of the dieing 7 open class at SCORE would be able to see the benefits of doing so. If not then screw them.... Let them race by themselves forever. Make a new class and their dead class will finally die completely.

I talked for a long time to AJ from Baja Shop about changing the rules, and at first he didn't want to. Then after just asking him if he likes just racing Chamlee race after race, and looking at the fact that no new SCORE legal 7 opens have appeared for a few years now, he started to agree. After looking at the entrees for 7200 he is now in 100% agreeance for adopting the BITD rules to the SCORE class. Technology has changed mini truck racing over the last 20 years. The rules should reflect this.

i dont even know where to start on this one
sounds like someone is just trying to be an ass for no reason...

no i havent... i dont go on race dez much, it always down so enlighten me... my truck wont even pass score tech, fuck bill

for those who havn't read our rule change suggestions how about reading them... and for those who have read them and dont understand or agree with them how about actually doing something and calling our office and talking about them rather then just sitting and smack talking over the internet and getting nothing done!

our bottom line is the 7200 rules are too unlimited

Originally Posted by simon5ay5

steel roof and steel doors and most the original cab still.

i was talking about ross's truck

Originally Posted by GFORacing1404DJF

i was talking about ross's truck

o i guess i snuck in a post between you guys lol

After reading the rules you proposed again(already read them on RDC) I don't see anything that would warrant a new racer to want to build a SCORE class 7 with these new rules over the old rules.


78 inches wide going to 80 inches wide is a waste of time. A wheel change will do that as I said.

Allowing aftermarket injection and management system..... Ummm ok, more money needing to be spent to try and be competitive is not going to draw anyone.


Being able to move the motor another measly 2 inches isn't that important nor is it really that beneficial, so no real advantage there. not to mention most current SCORE class 7 trucks have the motor moved farther than that already.



as for the front axle/diff housing housing.... Not many 4 wheel drive 7 trucks currently, and I can't see that rule really drawing any.


Ditching the front bumper? Why not? Most either don't run one, or it is cut up so much it is really not one anyways currently.


getting rid of the 3 inch openings and 2 inch flares is nothing either, as the majority of trucks that races class 7 currently really goes by this rule either.


Ditching the no hinged front ends? Look at the class..... More than half race with the Fiberworks front end(hinged) already.



Modifying the frame but not modifying the top of the frame is silly at best. Why not just open it up?


Moving the body around +/- 2 inches is a waste of time. Once again, why not just open it up?

Getting rid of the grill? This goes back to the hinged front end that already doesn't have it in it. Already done.


Thanks for your input, but your rules don't really change anything that will draw more entrees. Just little things that you can do to your own truck that will not really make it any better or faster other than notching the frame.

Originally Posted by WFODAN

After reading the rules you proposed again(already read them on RDC) I don't see anything that would warrant a new racer to want to build a SCORE class 7 with these new rules over the old rules.


78 inches wide going to 80 inches wide is a waste of time. A wheel change will do that as I said.

Yes you could just change your wheels but i thought the point of the rule changes is to allow new truck to come in not just so that old trucks could be updated... so there for... a new a-arm truck can build longer a-arms now allowing for more travel. and with moving the motor back father that also alows for more room for center pivoting arms. new a-arm trucks meeting current score rules have as much as 21in of travel. With the rule changes they could get 24in or more of travel..

Allowing aftermarket injection and management system..... Ummm ok, more money needing to be spent to try and be competitive is not going to draw anyone.

7200 has no mention of limiting this... so how would this be more expenisve?

Being able to move the motor another measly 2 inches isn't that important nor is it really that beneficial, so no real advantage there. not to mention most current SCORE class 7 trucks have the motor moved farther than that already.

we changed this to 3in vertical and horizontal in the later version that must have been an old one sorry.. but again this is to allow for more room for a-arms so they can push there motors back and not be worried about tech noticing.


as for the front axle/diff housing housing.... Not many 4 wheel drive 7 trucks currently, and I can't see that rule really drawing any.

why wouldnt it. if you could now run a custom equal length ttb that could pull 22-24in of travel in 4x4 you wouldnt ever have to worry about silt it would be nice in the 1000!

Ditching the front bumper? Why not? Most either don't run one, or it is cut up so much it is really not one anyways currently.

true its a dumb rule

getting rid of the 3 inch openings and 2 inch flares is nothing either, as the majority of trucks that races class 7 currently really goes by this rule either.

true its a dumb rule

Ditching the no hinged front ends? Look at the class..... More than half race with the Fiberworks front end(hinged) already.

true its a dumb rule

Modifying the frame but not modifying the top of the frame is silly at best. Why not just open it up?

Just open it up?

Moving the body around +/- 2 inches is a waste of time. Once again, why not just open it up?

waiste of time? This will alow for more uptravel and a lower center of gravity.


Thanks for your input, but your rules don't really change anything that will draw more entrees. Just little things that you can do to your own truck that will not really make it any better or faster other than notching the frame.

If you have a 2in body drop why would you need to notch the frame? you couldnt use that much uptravel anyway. I have done a 2in body drop on my prerunner and when i bottom out my tires touch the top of my fenders already and the frame is about scraping on the ground.

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Chamlee, you are ignorant. Have you noticed in all of your race reports the low numbers are of people reading them. Why is that, oh yeah because nobody cares about 7 open anymore. You should change your avatar from simon5asy to YESTERYEAR. Your ignorance is what will kill your class. I can predict your next race report, "Chamlee wins another one" you know how I know, because you are the only person racing that class. Watch the new class grow, maybe then you will realize how sick it really is, don't be so scared of all the new trucks, you never know you might do OK, ha ha, nah.

Originally Posted by simon5ay5

Yes you could just change your wheels but i thought the point of the rule changes is to allow new truck to come in not just so that old trucks could be updated.

My point exactly!! Nobody wants to build a truck to 78, so why do you think giving them a single inch more per side will change that? It is not a big enough change.

7200 has no mention of limiting this... so how would this be more expenisve?

Remember YOU don't want 7200 rules? So this WOULD be more expensive in your current 7 open class rules that you are proposing. Simple fact. That won't make anyone new want to race with this in these new rules yours.

we changed this to 3in vertical and horizontal in the later version that must have been an old one sorry.. but again this is to allow for more room for a-arms so they can push there motors back and not be worried about tech noticing

Do you really think that 3 inches is going to make enough room for a new J arm?? And most current 7 trucks have the motor as low as it can go already, so the verticle part is useless.

why wouldnt it. if you could now run a custom equal length ttb that could pull 22-24in of travel in 4x4 you wouldnt ever have to worry about silt it would be nice in the 1000!

I just don't see it happening.. Too much money to invest in a non popular class with no entrees.

Just open it up?

Yes open the chassis rules up. Because there are two framerails running threw your truck does not make it anything close to a production truck, so why waste your time? If it is an unlimited class(read 7"open") then why not make it unlimited on the chassis also? it is cheaper and can be made to work much better and seem more attractive to potential racers.

Just open it up? If you have a 2in body drop why would you need to notch the frame? you couldnt use that much uptravel anyway. I have done a 2in body drop on my prerunner and when i bottom out my tires touch the top of my fenders already and the frame is about scraping on the ground.

Are you trying to sell something here? Most truck racers I know lower their seat as far as it will go. Mine are about a half inch off the top of my frame. if I were to lower my cab, the only thing I would accomplish would be to take out all of my head room. That is NOT something ANY racer wants safety wise. Seats don't fit between the frame rails, so how do you propose to lower the body and not lose head room? get shorter drivers? Also if you think that lowering the body will take care of uptravel issues, then you are saying to raise the truck chassis, which would then void your lower center of gravity you think you have achieved by lowering the body. If your frame is almost scraping the ground after your 2 inch body drop, then it was when the body was in the stock position also, because you didn't modify the frame. Once the axle is bumped out the frame will go no lower to the ground no matter where you put the body. I am not following your logic at all......




When we were at laughlin and we were parked waiting for the leap I was parked right behind you. My truck sat about 8 inches lower(I actually think it was more, but i will just use 8 inches for the time being) than your truck from the top of the bedside to the ground. At that height I have 15 inches of rear compression travel with the current tube chassis I run in the rear. My tire does hit the bedside top at full bump enough for me to have to make it flat without the 90 degree corner along the top of the bedside. Now to be fair and also for your statement to be true, you would have to do an 8 inch body drop, or have 23 inches of compression travel from your current ride height to be equal to my truck with your chassis rules both current 7 open and your proposed rules. You and I both know that is not the case. the chassis rule needs to go away once and for all in open classes.

your propsed rules are a quick fix at best, and they seem to fit your personal interests a little to well........what does +2" of trackwidth give you?? oh...it makes your illegal truck, legal again.

....the new 7200 rules perfectly fit the way technology has advanced in recent years. This class all comes down to setup, motor, and driver. You have managed to win a lot of races, so I think that qualifies you in all 3 of those categories. I understand the fear of full tube chassis dominating the class, but that day is far away. If we can keep the rules where the vehicle has to start life as a production truck, then we can keep the rule benders out.

....if you dont want to race a mostly stock 4.0, junkyard motor.....then keep beating yourself. We like racing 25+ trucks, competition is what racing is supposed to be about.

Originally Posted by WFODAN

Are you trying to sell something here? Most truck racers I know lower their seat as far as it will go. Mine are about a half inch off the top of my frame. if I were to lower my cab, the only thing I would accomplish would be to take out all of my head room. That is NOT something ANY racer wants safety wise. Seats don't fit between the frame rails, so how do you propose to lower the body and not lose head room? get shorter drivers? Also if you think that lowering the body will take care of uptravel issues, then you are saying to raise the truck chassis, which would then void your lower center of gravity you think you have achieved by lowering the body. If your frame is almost scraping the ground after your 2 inch body drop, then it was when the body was in the stock position also, because you didn't modify the frame. Once the axle is bumped out the frame will go no lower to the ground no matter where you put the body. I am not following your logic at all......




When we were at laughlin and we were parked waiting for the leap I was parked right behind you. My truck sat about 8 inches lower(I actually think it was more, but i will just use 8 inches for the time being) than your truck from the top of the bedside to the ground. At that height I have 15 inches of rear compression travel with the current tube chassis I run in the rear. My tire does hit the bedside top at full bump enough for me to have to make it flat without the 90 degree corner along the top of the bedside. Now to be fair and also for your statement to be true, you would have to do an 8 inch body drop, or have 23 inches of compression travel from your current ride height to be equal to my truck with your chassis rules both current 7 open and your proposed rules. You and I both know that is not the case. the chassis rule needs to go away once and for all in open classes.

I was refering to my prerunner not the race truck.. and when i said 'frame' i was referring to the running boards/ lower link and trans cross members(cause the frame isnt where the susp. and drivetrain attach so i sometimes call my susp. pick ups my 'frame'). and my prerunner sits 3in lower then our race truck and has 17in of uptravel. But it doesn't really matter because this isn't an argument that will ever be solved very easily and no matter how much we debate it everyone is still set in there ways and doesn't want to compromise.

Originally Posted by RCinqMars

your propsed rules are a quick fix at best, and they seem to fit your personal interests a little to well........what does +2" of trackwidth give you?? oh...it makes your illegal truck, legal again.

our truck wasn't ever really illegal anyways we smacked a wall at terribles cup towing our front end out the 3/16th in.... but we have switched to kmc wheels and are now only 76in wide anyways.

Current 7 open rules should be class 7

SCORE 7 open should follow BITD 7200

7s should just stay where it's at.


Just my uneducated opinion.

Originally Posted by Travisfab

Current 7 open rules should be class 7

SCORE 7 open should follow BITD 7200

7s should just stay where it's at.


Just my uneducated opinion.

i thought that was the way its headed anyway .. just change some of the supid pointless rules in class 7. and bring in the 7200 class

Have any of guys actually called the tech number and asked if there have been any class 7 rule changes or any new classes? Nope or else the answer would already be on here. Instead you all bitch and moan saying I heard this or I heard that.

Originally Posted by thetrophyranger

Have any of guys actually called the tech number and asked if there have been any class 7 rule changes or any new classes? Nope or else the answer would already be on here. Instead you all bitch and moan saying I heard this or I heard that.

since you work next to him all day can you inform us?

i called last week. "there will be no changes to class 7, there will be a new "unlimited mini truck" class that will be an unlimited class running a V6 motor"

so pretty much nothing new to current class 7 and there won't be and instead just making a new class with unlimited specs.

This information was from the SCORE Tech line at the Baja 500 from savage himself when i was talking to him and then again when i called last week on the phone. If no one wants to take me word for it here is the number. (760) 599-1013

Originally Posted by simon5ay5

I was refering to my prerunner not the race truck.. and when i said 'frame' i was referring to the running boards/ lower link and trans cross members(cause the frame isnt where the susp. and drivetrain attach so i sometimes call my susp. pick ups my 'frame'). and my prerunner sits 3in lower then our race truck and has 17in of uptravel. But it doesn't really matter because this isn't an argument that will ever be solved very easily and no matter how much we debate it everyone is still set in there ways and doesn't want to compromise.

Read the last sentence, understand it and then look in the mirror.

micah hit it right on....... he did compromise duh!!! 80+ trackwidth (note the sarcasm)

Originally Posted by baja619

Read the last sentence, understand it and then look in the mirror.

AAAAAAhahahahaha....lol ain't this the truth.....


SIMON.... .GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!! You will see where the competition goes in the next year or two... they will race the new class just watch!

you could have been the bigger person and said... BRING IT LETS RACE ALL TOGETHER AND GROW THE SPORT... but instead you went the Kreg Donahoe approach (stock mini and class 3 champ with no competition) and race the class with a few entries so you can be the champion... lol

Work together and build a class. like I said before if you raced last year in BITD with your 78" wide truck and finished all the races then you would have probably won the championship! We got second and had tons of down time every race. Boltons won the championship and also had downtime in most races. They just did it faster than us and beat us by 4 points. You are so fast with all your SCORE championships you should have WAXED US!

The word I got was a carbon copy of 7200 and that it should be official next week.

And that was only after telling them how pathetic their leave a message/send an email system was. You can leave as many messages as you want and send as many emails as you want. If you aren't RG they don't respond.

They told me they respond very quickly when you leave your racing number. I asked them how the hell can I get one if they don't answer the phone or email so I can schedule tech or ask a tech question.

OK, the rage has gone away now!

This will be the best for everyone involved, more races you can participate in with the same truck. And it will make both BITD & SCORE better places to race as they compete for the same racers!

Originally Posted by jzaiden

AAAAAAhahahahaha....lol ain't this the truth.....


SIMON.... .GET OVER IT ALREADY!!!! You will see where the competition goes in the next year or two... they will race the new class just watch!

you could have been the bigger person and said... BRING IT LETS RACE ALL TOGETHER AND GROW THE SPORT... but instead you went the Kreg Donahoe approach (stock mini and class 3 champ with no competition) and race the class with a few entries so you can be the champion... lol

Work together and build a class. like I said before if you raced last year in BITD with your 78" wide truck and finished all the races then you would have probably won the championship! We got second and had tons of down time every race. Boltons won the championship and also had downtime in most races. They just did it faster than us and beat us by 4 points. You are so fast with all your SCORE championships you should have WAXED US!

fine... if u guys are so insistent on making it 85in wide... then fine.. we think it is pointlessly wide... but if thats what u all want and what it will take...

These new rules will require us to scrap the chassis we are currently working on building and have thousands into and completely building a new chassis. costing thousands of extra dollars...

We will have to buy new trailers to get the new stupidly wide trucks into our trailer... costing thousands more right there...