Thread: my 98 chevy race build

i am doing a full tube chassi build and one thing i did not take into account is all the drop down brackets for the front they still need ground clearance too

Originally Posted by matt_helton

why dont you guys lay the fuck off this dood. its his first build and he dosent know any better. we all welded like shit and ran tons of dead tubes when we were first starting in our garages.......yes even me. hes building this for himself, not a paying customer so in my eyes its no big deal.

psh my first build doesnt have dead tubes

A little update that has taken me 3 days after school. im going deaf from the 9" grinder.
well got one side 90% finished, just need to cut some internal gussets to fit. its all out of 1/4" (may be overkill, but its supporting the beams, so we think it will be okay?) i plan to plate the rest of the front frame with thinner stuff too. just need to clean it of 200,000 miles of road grime.
also added triangulation to bedside mounts, and another bent piece for more 'flop' support.
the different colors represent the gussets, i will cut a space on the outer plate so that it will also be welded to the gussets.


driver side ^^^

passenger side (using a torch instead of grinder and sawsall)^^^


ride height^^^
should i add anything to the rear mounts?

Originally Posted by matt_helton

why dont you guys lay the fuck off this dood. its his first build and he dosent know any better. we all welded like shit and ran tons of dead tubes when we were first starting in our garages.......yes even me. hes building this for himself, not a paying customer so in my eyes its no big deal.

hey bitch the only way i learned was from assholes like you making fun of my trailer hitch and shit! haha you created this monster!!!!!!

Something my friend showed me that really helped when I did my most recent version of beams on my truck was to take some angle iron and tack it to the factory frame rails in the front, that way you make sure that everything you are modifying or mounting is square with the rest of the truck.

Originally Posted by Go Go Gadget Arms

hey bitch the only way i learned was from assholes like you making fun of my trailer hitch and shit! haha you created this monster!!!!!!

yeah but i grew up.....im not an asshole anymore..........buahahahaha

hahaha shit i guess 32 is the right age to grow up huh fucker... lol

looks good man. i like it.

well i cut the bad part of the rear cab cage X out, then got cut up by the 9" angle grinder.

finally got the plates back from machine shop for the driver side frame. (1st &2nd pic)

just from adding the one side of plating, the frame is ten times stronger then when everything was cut off.

now my question: i cut off the bottom half of the engine cross member, and was going to plate it back up, but is that really needed once i do the engine cage? getting the plates cut is no problem, just would rather not seeing how much stronger the frame is. (first picture shows what im talking about)

passenger side is in progress, just need internal gussets

thanks
Mike

yesssss dude. cut the two sides evenly and plate the section with some 1/8" i mean if your down there already and it doesnt cost you anything other than your own time, plate that shit it. you removed material from a stock frame that aint the strongest, so plate in whatever you cut and make it stronger in anyway that you can. if its no big deal to cut the plate like you said, then plate that back in. just my opinion tho. others may say it aint necessary to each their own.

Originally Posted by matt_helton

why dont you guys lay the fuck off this dood. its his first build and he dosent know any better. we all welded like shit and ran tons of dead tubes when we were first starting in our garages.......yes even me. hes building this for himself, not a paying customer so in my eyes its no big deal.

Hell yes well all have! But you and I both had to learn somewhere. The truck is obvisouly not finished so if learning about dead tubes before he is entirly finished with the cab and engine cage is probably a good idea you growchy old man!

I would probably plate a little more then that on the frame. You have beam hangers as well as swingers that you are mounting up there.

got one beam partially tacked together and mounted.
finished the passenger side plating too, just no pics of that.
only problem on the beam, the plates dont fit just right and are a little long, so i will trim them a little.

looks good

thread that heim in to when you have the jam nut on there it shows bout a 1/8 to 1/4'' of threads

Originally Posted by CVP PRERUNNERS

thread that heim in to when you have the jam nut on there it shows bout a 1/8 to 1/4'' of threads

if you look close, you can see that the bung is not completely in side the tube as it is not welded in yet. it is sticking out about 1/4 inch.

before i completely weld the beams and brackets, what size bolt is best to run? i have a 5/8 currently, but i also have some 3/4 bolts i can use. is 5/8 enough?

are there any pictures of threats tube beams completely welded, id like a top and bottom view if possible, to show the little triangle piece that goes behind the tubes at the beam end.
thanks

i would not pivot a beam on a 5/8" bolt. run 3/4".

my brother has threats kit but it is the boxed race style. post pics man,we can help.

your heim spacers (if bought from threat) are 3/4'' bolts.

okay thanks guys, ill get pics tomorrow.
i was using 5/8 because i had those laying around with spacers, i have some 3/4 too but they are narrower, ill get some made next week.

Originally Posted by glamiskid395

okay thanks guys, ill get pics tomorrow.
i was using 5/8 because i had those laying around with spacers, i have some 3/4 too but they are narrower, ill get some made next week.

You dont need really wide spacers because there isnt a whole lot of angular motion at the pivots compared to an a-arm truck.

Look at how narrow the spacers are on heim pivot beams that mount in the stock pivots.....super narrow.

well i will get some spacers from kartek for the radious and beams on monday.
i did weld the beams today, the first one, i put the plates on the wrong side but it wasnt a big deal, still worked fine. they were really simple to put together, only 2 tubes, 5 plates, beam end, and bung. i think i did pretty good for my first time?
radious arms will be tomorrow.

the arms
i added the 1" tubes since there was no plating.
waiting for a reply from Dave on the arm to beam mounts.

finally got the X redone, and also added an A in the middle of the cab behind the seats. i also put some tape up, should i run tubes where the tape is? the two behind each seat will have to have a little bend in them?

thats a shit tone of bars

Why not just a 3 seater? That way you can fit 3 people easily and it helps split the cost when racing. Even if it stays as a prerunner You can fit 2 more bitches in your car

Fuck it reminds me of a jungle gym from the playground..lol

Why so many bars?
Because I have seen videos of trucks crashing at high speeds and I don't want my cage to collapse if that happens to me.
I've seen the cliffs in baja...(what more do I need to say?)

Time to get to work.

well it just gets heavy but safty first right

THATS to much ,. thats gonna be tooooooo heavy .

something more like this .

Originally Posted by matt_helton

i would not pivot a beam on a 5/8" bolt. run 3/4".

thats wierd matt, i pivot my beams on a 9/16 bolt, as do all the giant kits to my knowledge, i have never had a problem...

Originally Posted by jodaddy23

THATS to much ,. thats gonna be tooooooo heavy .

something more like this .

That's not an extended cab. Being an extended cab I wanted to make sure the center wouldn't collapse, hense the A.

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I never planned to put a third seat in so there would never have been room for one. I put the seats back to far.

Originally Posted by glamiskid395

That's not an extended cab. Being an extended cab I wanted to make sure the center wouldn't collapse, hense the A.

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I never planned to put a third seat in so there would never have been room for one. I put the seats back to far.

your going way overboard on the cage. you have dead tubes with horrible load path. remove those tubes behind the seat and start over. honestly, think of load path before you throw anymore tubing in the cage.

Originally Posted by Knuckledstr

your going way overboard on the cage. you have dead tubes with horrible load path. remove those tubes behind the seat and start over. honestly, think of load path before you throw anymore tubing in the cage.

how is it bad loudpath?
the A meets at the top center, and bottom at the door bars. i didnt dead end them on a tube like T.
im just confused.

you could have done it with just 1 tube from the bottom of the rear window in the center, to the center of the roof tubes. You would have been protected just as well with 1 tube.

Originally Posted by Knuckledstr

your going way overboard on the cage. you have dead tubes with horrible load path. remove those tubes behind the seat and start over. honestly, think of load path before you throw anymore tubing in the cage.

X2!!! those tubes are just wasted space, they would really serve no purpose structurally. start by cutting those center tubes out. you need to add roof cross tubes to hit B pillar...you have that crazy X goin on for roof tubes, but you have no support for side impact in the center between A and C pillar which is a weak point in a rollover. add those and maybe do what jonerton said about doing diags from center of X to outside B pillar roof tubes.

if hes the same guy from race-dezert hes getting a hard time because hes doing this all with his parents money.
He wrecked the truck his parents bought for him, then "finally convinced his dad to let him build it" now hes building it, and looks to me that he just started welding shit together and then taking other peoples advice and trying to fix it, i'm real far from an expert, and yes everyone started somewhere. But the people who actually live to offroad and work every day thinking about how many more hours they have to work to afford the bender or another stick of tubing are the ones who should get the most respect, not the people welding shit together to make a "sick" truck.

Originally Posted by Roccomonte

if hes the same guy from race-dezert hes getting a hard time because hes doing this all with his parents money.
He wrecked the truck his parents bought for him, then "finally convinced his dad to let him build it" now hes building it, and looks to me that he just started welding shit together and then taking other peoples advice and trying to fix it, i'm real far from an expert, and yes everyone started somewhere. But the people who actually live to offroad and work every day thinking about how many more hours they have to work to afford the bender or another stick of tubing are the ones who should get the most respect, not the people welding shit together to make a "sick" truck.

Who cares? And when did anyone start talking about respect? It's not your business where the money is coming from, if his parents feel like supporting the project then good for him. No one deserves any less respect because they don't pay for something themselves. Yes he took on a huge project for his first one, but give the guy a break, he's trying to learn.

Originally Posted by mounty71

Who cares? And when did anyone start talking about respect? It's not your business where the money is coming from, if his parents feel like supporting the project then good for him. No one deserves any less respect because they don't pay for something themselves. Yes he took on a huge project for his first one, but give the guy a break, he's trying to learn.

x2!!! Someone is fucking jealous!

Originally Posted by glamiskid395

That's not an extended cab. Being an extended cab I wanted to make sure the center wouldn't collapse, hense the A.

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I never planned to put a third seat in so there would never have been room for one. I put the seats back to far.

i was just showing you a race truck , and the simple design for the cage . if you're not making a three seater it doesn't matter about the extra cab .

Originally Posted by Roccomonte

if hes the same guy from race-dezert hes getting a hard time because hes doing this all with his parents money.
He wrecked the truck his parents bought for him, then "finally convinced his dad to let him build it" now hes building it, and looks to me that he just started welding shit together and then taking other peoples advice and trying to fix it, i'm real far from an expert, and yes everyone started somewhere. But the people who actually live to offroad and work every day thinking about how many more hours they have to work to afford the bender or another stick of tubing are the ones who should get the most respect, not the people welding shit together to make a "sick" truck.

You talk alot of crap. Like the others said it doesn't matter where the money comes from. I would try to pay for this myself but I don't have a job because I know it would fuck with my school work. Once I start college at UTI I will get a job and begin to make my hardbody DD into something respectible to play with.

I spend every minute I have on this truck. If I'm not working on it I'm thinking of what I need to do next, such as the engine cage.

Originally Posted by glamiskid395

You talk alot of crap. Like the others said it doesn't matter where the money comes from. I would try to pay for this myself but I don't have a job because I know it would fuck with my school work. Once I start college at UTI I will get a job and begin to make my hardbody DD into something respectible to play with.

I spend every minute I have on this truck. If I'm not working on it I'm thinking of what I need to do next, such as the engine cage.

u might want to re think UTI and the auto ind right now. unlrss your realllllly fucking good or get lucky. shit isnt right got you with the cost of that school.. ive been there and done that... its a lucky thing...