Thread: BBR Fabrications

Originally Posted by Travisfab

Sounds like a broken record for a lot of fab shops. Over promise, under deliver.

I seriously think that a lot of shops need a business guy in the office.

This exactly.. every garage fab place takes too many projects at once so things get pushed back for you. They say they get it done. Then every few days a guy comes in needing a bumper which takes a day away from your truck, needs a front kit installed.. there goes a weekend, etc. It adds up then your truck has been sitting untouched for a while.

Originally Posted by 805f150

if you truck ever gets done make sure he welded the inside of the tubes he didnt on mine...

bumper he did that i cut off a titan was same way

Originally Posted by Travisfab

Sounds like a broken record for a lot of fab shops. Over promise, under deliver.

I seriously think that a lot of shops need a business guy in the office.

I'm not here to defend or add to the comments toward ross, I really dont have a valid opinion on his work, but if most peoPle knew how tight things are for most fab shops they might understand. Its simply not possible to pay another person for most shops to run the small stuff /business end of things. Not to mention, smaller shops rely on vendors that often put our smaller orders on the back burner since they also supply bigger customers. I'm not saying it's ok to overpromise and under deliver, but just wanted to toss out something from the smalltime fabbers point of view.
Most are on the border of paying thier bills and going broke.

Originally Posted by TheBrettster

blk04,

That was your titan? I always wondered about it. Shit had dust covering the entire thing.

I met Ross through Brock on here. When I rolled up to his shop to get a quote on some things, he met me out front and was extremely helpful in telling me what he could do for me. When the time came for my truck to have work done I dropped it off a week early just because I was going to be busy. I told Ross I had a deadline and for what needed to be done it should have taken three days (gusseting the shock hoop and other issues,install bumps, install limit straps and a bumper) I paid Ross all the cash up front which I trusted him. After four days rolled by I started getting on him about whats going on. He keeps saying hes got to get this ranger done etc etc. I give him a few more days and then just started rolling by his shop which pretty much forced him to get shit done.


When it all comes down to it, Ross does GREAT work. But he needs to figure out his priorities. I think he takes on too much work and then just overwhelmed/bored with it and finds other projects to do. He gets stressed out about all the shit he has to do when he could focus on one thing and bang it out instead of promising shit to people and breaking it.

As far as me returning to the shop, yes I would. Ross and Mike do some great work over there, BUT Ross isn't the cheapest around.

yup, that would be my titan

The fact is that there really isn't any money to be made as a small time one man show fab shop unless you have several projects running at all times. Even then you have to have a constant flow of small jobs to keep $$ coming through the doors on top of larger projects. My guess is BBR figured this out the hard way. No one gets rich fabing. Everyone wants to fab for a living these days, next to no one knows how to really make it though.

Yep.. I would think he did better with a normal job and doing installs and bumpers on the sides.

Damn. You can kind of tell who hasn't been in this sport in a long time. I remember back in the day thenshops that are big now took forever to build something. That isn't even necessarily a bad thing. Hell, even Lalo's truck at dmz is taking a long ass time. And that isn't because dmz is a bad shop, big projects just take time. I think there are faults on both sides here. On one side maybe Ross could be more punctual and try to get projects out of there faster. But on the other side you can't say you're not in a hurry to get your truck back and then out of nowhere give a guy a deadline.

I know some of you will just say I'm on the bbr bandwagon, but I had a ton of work dine on my old truck by Ross and everything was top notch, professional, great quality and at a good price. It sucks that he is closing his shop when he puts a good product, but you can't live up to everyone's standards.

Some shit can get out of hand when u build stuff for people, that's one reason I took a step back for custom fab work, customers don't understand the amount of work it takes or its always something.

Originally Posted by desert_silverado

Damn. You can kind of tell who hasn't been in this sport in a long time. I remember back in the day thenshops that are big now took forever to build something. That isn't even necessarily a bad thing. Hell, even Lalo's truck at dmz is taking a long ass time. And that isn't because dmz is a bad shop, big projects just take time. I think there are faults on both sides here. On one side maybe Ross could be more punctual and try to get projects out of there faster. But on the other side you can't say you're not in a hurry to get your truck back and then out of nowhere give a guy a deadline.

I know some of you will just say I'm on the bbr bandwagon, but I had a ton of work dine on my old truck by Ross and everything was top notch, professional, great quality and at a good price. It sucks that he is closing his shop when he puts a good product, but you can't live up to everyone's standards.

Lalo's truck is taking as long as it is becuase he doesn't have the money to finish it. He even said so in his thread.

Mike

I realize this is blk04titan 1st truck build, so he may not understand that when someone says a completion date, you can add 4-6 weeks on top of that. Regardless how far out the date is.


Look at my build, its 15-16 months in and its still not even close to done. Now I've been lucky enough to stay one step ahead when it comes to $ for the build and having parts in my hand well before its time for them, and that helps a lot when it comes to building a truck. If you are waiting for a 3rd party supplier you can forget about a time frame.

As far as Ross lying to blk04titan, its fucked up that Ross used the parts on someone else's project(I'd be fucking pissed) whether or not I got paid for them or not. At least have the decency to ask 1st

Originally Posted by only1mikey

Lalo's truck is taking as long as it is becuase he doesn't have the money to finish it. He even said so in his thread.

Mike

Again. This is not a dig at dmz because tim puts out some of the best work out there, but I know of at least two other trucks that have been in his shop for a long period of time to get work done, both good friends. What it comes down to is that fab work takes a ton of time and people just don't realize it. I wa using lalos truck as an example because he is known on here.

It sounds like some of you need to do a little more research before handing over money to a complete stranger or pay more attention so that you know what you are paying for is being completed. Pushing a deadline back once, ok maybe I'll let it slide depending on circumstances. Pushing the deadline again? You no longer have my business and you won't receive another dollar. It sounds like you never saw anything done to your truck but you kept giving him money. Sounds like you're the idiot.
-dave

Are desertsilverado and Ross dating?

Originally Posted by 714banshee380

Are desertsilverado and Ross dating?

I'm just trying to talk like an adult. I know, that's a lot to ask from you. I knew Ross back in highschool but didn't hang out with him. Few years later found out he was doing fab work so I got some work done by him and can honestly say I have never had a problem with the work he did.

Tuff crowd. I have never had any work from BBR or have considered having work done by them but I can say my prior fabrication needs always took longer then promised. Most were from big name shops as well. I have pretty much accepted the fact that good quality takes time, especially if its a "one off" or a large amount of work to be performed. I'm having some work getting done now from a reputable fabricator and it has taken 3 months longer then promised but the work is coming out stellar. It does get frustrating when it takes longer then anticipated but it's stuff that can't be bought off of the shelf. BTW, you can always go to a renowned shop, pay top dollar and maybe have it done on time but most of us our bargaining for deals...just my 2 cents.

Originally Posted by blk04titan

yup, that would be my titan

I think it was you but I could be wrong. But have issues getting fiberglass for your truck as well? If so sounds like your truck was jynxed from the beginning.

Originally Posted by tacorunner87

I think it was you but I could be wrong. But have issues getting fiberglass for your truck as well? If so sounds like your truck was jynxed from the beginning.

yes lol.... and when my old shock hoops were cut off, more shitty things were discovered form the well known shop i went to...

I think you are right this truck has been jinxed from the get go... starts by a shock going through the coilbucket, then getting hoops that weren't done properly, then shitty ass fiberglass from a super shady company.... and now with this.....
i know my next truck will not be going to fab shops..... i need to learn how to do all my own fab work. and with my silvy i will be.... already had to do the auto body work to fix the squished in passenger side... that was a bitch!

x3 or whatever on stuff taking way longer then expected. im in that situation right now, said id have some parts done weeks ago but they are still no where near done. I ordered everything i needed in what i thought was plenty of time but apparently i didnt. never would have guessed it would take over 2 weeks to get a uniball and cup.

also what brandon said about smaller "shops" stuff getting pushed back is 100% true. ive been through all that and it puts the middle man (the fabriacator) in a shitty situation.

im not backing or bashing BBR or anyone in this thread at this point, just saying that unless you have tried fabbing for people you dont know the problems that arise and how hard it really is.

The exactly what people are saying about things taking longer then expected. Exact reason I build things for myself only. Fabrication takes too long and I never make enough to build for others so I don't.

i can come from both sides of the arguement here, i took my truck to ross to have a lt kit built. as stated before when i went to his shop to talk to him, he came out and was stoked on it, we talked for a couple hours, went over a couple different ideas. he told me he couldnt get my truck in for a couple weeks but throughout those weeks he kept in touch and gave me a date my truck can go in the shop and stuck to that date. since it was his first ranger kit he told me it was going to be 3 weeks, 3 weeks go by and the truck insent even close to being finished, but there is a box of fox coilovers sitting in the shop for me when i paid for foa's, he said that he knew he couldnt make up for the truck being late but took some of the money for labor and put it towards the fox's. 5 weeks later im having to push him to finish my truck cause i needed it back cause i started college the next week. i got the truck back before i started school and was stoked on all the work that ross, and mike did. ross still kept in touch and would invite me over to the shop to check out the new trucks he got in and to just hangout. couple months go by and my truck breaks down one night and its like 11 and idk who to call cause everyone had something going on that night, and i was by ross's house so i decided i would call him, 10 min later hes there to help me out. helps me get over to his shop and helps me fix my truck that night. another 6 months go by with still no complaints with the kit, but my frame starts to crack and i tell him bout it and he says he will fix it for me but hes busy at the time so give him another week or so, the frame ended up cracking even more, which lead to the engine cage moving and cracking the crossbrase. so i can make it to work the next day my friend helped me patch up the crossbrase. at this time ross was already working his other job, but mike was at the shop and he fixed the crack in the frame and added more gassuts to the enginge cage, all for free, ross said he would build a new crossbrase when he was availabe, a month later after i asked him again he said he would that week, hit me up one day which i was busy and said that was the only day he could do it and we havnt talked since, and im still running around with a patched up crossbrase which i plan on replacing with a new one my friend is going to build. all in all ive had a pretty good experience with ross, ive had a couple little problems, but he said he would fix all of those, with no charge. ross does some great fab work and he really is a stand up guy, but also like stated before he just needs to get his priorities straight. bummper hes closing the shop, hopefully he will keep building trucks, maybe just one at a time on the side like the old days

ohh and if you havnt been reading he used another customers bumps and cans on my truck, which he didnt tell either of us about. i think that was a little fucked up but he did pay the other customer back

Originally Posted by G.E.S

i can come from both sides of the arguement here, i took my truck to ross to have a lt kit built. as stated before when i went to his shop to talk to him, he came out and was stoked on it, we talked for a couple hours, went over a couple different ideas. he told me he couldnt get my truck in for a couple weeks but throughout those weeks he kept in touch and gave me a date my truck can go in the shop and stuck to that date. since it was his first ranger kit he told me it was going to be 3 weeks, 3 weeks go by and the truck insent even close to being finished, but there is a box of fox coilovers sitting in the shop for me when i paid for foa's, he said that he knew he couldnt make up for the truck being late but took some of the money for labor and put it towards the fox's. 5 weeks later im having to push him to finish my truck cause i needed it back cause i started college the next week. i got the truck back before i started school and was stoked on all the work that ross, and mike did. ross still kept in touch and would invite me over to the shop to check out the new trucks he got in and to just hangout. couple months go by and my truck breaks down one night and its like 11 and idk who to call cause everyone had something going on that night, and i was by ross's house so i decided i would call him, 10 min later hes there to help me out. helps me get over to his shop and helps me fix my truck that night. another 6 months go by with still no complaints with the kit, but my frame starts to crack and i tell him bout it and he says he will fix it for me but hes busy at the time so give him another week or so, the frame ended up cracking even more, which lead to the engine cage moving and cracking the crossbrase. so i can make it to work the next day my friend helped me patch up the crossbrase. at this time ross was already working his other job, but mike was at the shop and he fixed the crack in the frame and added more gassuts to the enginge cage, all for free, ross said he would build a new crossbrase when he was availabe, a month later after i asked him again he said he would that week, hit me up one day which i was busy and said that was the only day he could do it and we havnt talked since, and im still running around with a patched up crossbrase which i plan on replacing with a new one my friend is going to build. all in all ive had a pretty good experience with ross, ive had a couple little problems, but he said he would fix all of those, with no charge. ross does some great fab work and he really is a stand up guy, but also like stated before he just needs to get his priorities straight. bummper hes closing the shop, hopefully he will keep building trucks, maybe just one at a time on the side like the old days

ohh and if you havnt been reading he used another customers bumps and cans on my truck, which he didnt tell either of us about. i think that was a little fucked up but he did pay the other customer back

Your truck was in the shop the same time my silverado was there. I remember him working hard on it cause you said you needed it.


It seems people are going on the attack about BBR. The bump thing was a stupid move but was taken care of promptly. Ross has never scammed anyone, like stated earlier, he isn't a business man. Myself being a business owner tried to help Ross out by opening a shop online to sell things that he could do easily. It sucks to hear him close up shop, hopefully he stays in the sport someway. I'd even be willing to give him shop space when I open up my shop later this year.

Ross has stated that garage fab shops doing shitty work killed most of his clientel.