Thread: Stock ranger fuel pump or aftermarket for Jazz Cell

I was just wondering what your guy's opinions are. I am looking to save money and figured it would be easier and cheaper to just run the stock fuel pump. It would be super easy to find a replacement if I needed one, I would still have a working fuel gauge, and I think it would be easier to just extend the fuel lines.

I already have two fuel pumps for plumbing a cell like most people do, but I don't want to buy 2 expensive filters right now and I would like to have a fuel gauge still for when I put an interior back in the truck to make it DD worthy. Just wanted your guys thoughts and opinions.

-Mikey

FYI, you dont need 2 expensice filters. you can do it like i did on mikes truck with the one autozone filter and 1 good filter. save like $50.

adapt the stock one, IMO. Cheap aftermarket pumps seem to constantly be going out, while stock pumps last 100k miles+
maybe slightly less smog issues, too, even though a smog tech shouldn't care, as long as evap stuff is hooked up, the closer to stock it is, the easier it will be on you.

adapt/make a new top ring and extend or shorten your fuel pump assembly.

x2 on what brandon said. if you do go that route, curtphillips has a few pics in his build thread showing what he did to extend his stock fuel pump on his chevy to work with his cell

link?

See that is my thinking on it too.

What I don't get is why everyone runs wazzoooo filters on stock motors when the stock filter should be fine. Maybe I am just assuming too much, but the stock filter seems like it wouild be fine to me :confussed:

bling bling factor? misinformed about what will work? or does it have anything to do with fuel cell foam possibly getting sucked up by the pump?

if your looking to use the whole stock sending unit, you can't run foam and have a usable fuel gauge. To make it work with the cell is really easy, making the mount for it is the hard part. If you have the sending unit in front of you, this is what you would need to do:
-take a measurment of the depth of the cell
-take that measurment and compare it to the sending unit
-cut off the rubber hose at the bottom of the sending unit and replace it with the correct ammount needed from your first measurement
-bend the float rod so when it swings, it will reach the very top [of the cell] it will be at the top of the sweep and when it hits the bottom [of the cell] it will be at the bottom of the sweep
-figure out how to mount it

heres what i did, had to cut out a bit of the foam for the float to move up n down.

i dont like the idea of running the stock pumps and adapting it to your cell, but that is just me. Seems a bit jerry rigged. Just my opinion.

And as for the filter, i am running a marine water/fuel seperator before my pump, $30 at west marine. The replacement filters are like 5-7 bucks, and they screw on like a oil filter.

Also you can buy a sending unit and run a fuel gauge in your truck. I still have a working one.

If you end up running the stock route, let me know i could use some spare fuel pumps. I will buy them off you.

Originally Posted by hxckidd

i dont like the idea of running the stock pumps and adapting it to your cell, but that is just me. Seems a bit jerry rigged. Just my opinion.

If you end up running the stock route, let me know i could use some spare fuel pumps. I will buy them off you.

I think taking the time to adapt the stock stuff in a clean manner like shown above is less jerry rigged than the way some people mount their aftermarket pump and filters.

I also think you confirmed the reasoning that alot of people have about wanting the factory stuff on their truck when you say you could always use "some spare fuel pumps".

Originally Posted by BRYANDENNY71

I think taking the time to adapt the stock stuff in a clean manner like shown above is less jerry rigged than the way some people mount their aftermarket pump and filters.

I also think you confirmed the reasoning that alot of people have about wanting the factory stuff on their truck when you say you could always use "some spare fuel pumps".

its really all preference. i think the big ass plate on top of the cell looks ghetto. but that is me. Also for the fuel pumps i decided to run cheap ones, they last about 2 years then die. If i actually sucked it up and bought something quality i wouldht have that problem. lol

Originally Posted by hxckidd

its really all preference. i think the big ass plate on top of the cell looks ghetto. but that is me. Also for the fuel pumps i decided to run cheap ones, they last about 2 years then die. If i actually sucked it up and bought something quality i wouldn't have that problem. lol

not to sure how mine looks "ghetto" but we all have our preferences and that's coo heres some more pics, how i ran the canister lines and a support.

not ghetto but not my thing. I dont like the big stock fuel pump plate. on top of the cell. Rather just have the pick up tube and vent tube and be done.

yea i'd love to go that route (sooo much more easier) but this truck will be daily drivin ALOT.

Cencalrunner's is about the cleanest I've seen. If it were me though I would have painted both the plates to match the cell, and put some new split loom on the wiring. Looks good though, and your extention is nice and simple

I will have to check the pictures when I get a chance to hop on my comp tomorrow. Thanks though I appreciate it! I don't have a canister anymore tossed that pos in the trash for now. I somehow managed to break it anyways from offroad abuse lol.

Adam I have also been told that these cheap jazz cells or what ever I have leak at the fittings and will suck air. Also I might keep it strret legal when I put the SOHC in, or I am going to put a built to the hill SOHC and t-56 in the distant future.

Also the pumps I have tex got from ORW I believe. He said he ran the one for many years with no problems and had no reason to use the spare.

Originally Posted by 04yfzkid

I will have to check the pictures when I get a chance to hop on my comp tomorrow. Thanks though I appreciate it! I don't have a canister anymore tossed that pos in the trash for now. I somehow managed to break it anyways from offroad abuse lol.

Adam I have also been told that these cheap jazz cells or what ever I have leak at the fittings and will suck air. Also I might keep it strret legal when I put the SOHC in, or I am going to put a built to the hill SOHC and t-56 in the distant future.

Also the pumps I have tex got from ORW I believe. He said he ran the one for many years with no problems and had no reason to use the spare.

then its settled sell me your c4 and your fuel pumps. lol

I've ran the stock one for years, and have had to pull apart my tank in the desert a couple of times. Definitely a pain, it would be alot nicer to have easy access to the pump and filter. My truck was running crappy so I pulled apart my tank today and found that the hose for the pick up was rotted through, the pre filter fell off the pump so the pump was dangeling by the wiring, and the pick up tube sheared off. Its been really nice to have as a DD, but I am thinking that I am going to go the external pump and filter route now.

why can't you have an external pump and filter and still be "street legal" and DD-able?

Originally Posted by AZ_ERIC

why can't you have an external pump and filter and still be "street legal" and DD-able?

wont be california street/smog legal, you gotta have everything, sending unit/chrcl canister/stock gas cap/filler neck.....You might be lucky and find someone who "knows a smog guy " and be able to do it the easy way but those guys are hard to come by, cant exactly look em up on google.

Originally Posted by cen cal runner

wont be california street/smog legal, you gotta have everything, sending unit/chrcl canister/stock gas cap/filler neck.....You might be lucky and find someone who "knows a smog guy " and be able to do it the easy way but those guys are hard to come by, cant exactly look em up on google.

i don’t think you need a stock sending unit.
i made my own plate that has all the smog stuff (really only need a power wire, in-let, return line, and a breather line ran to the charcoal can) oh and a place to fill up the tank also. i have been running the same stock pumps since the truck was new in 88. never had a problem yet. i hope i haven’t jinks myself now.
and make sure you run your vent line higher then your filler or it can start siphoning gas out. i still have this happen once in a while when it is warm out and i top off the tank and don’t drive it far after. the charcoal can fills up with gas and over flows. when it happens, i have to pull the vent line and stop the siphoning flow.

So you can't run the evaporation crap with an inline pump.

Originally Posted by AZ_ERIC

So you can't run the evaporation crap with an inline pump.

Why not? I could on my 94. Basically you just vent to the charcoal can. The vent, pickup and return are all seperate lines

I have a removeable section for smog. Normally the cell vents out a line that is wrapped around the cell and then vents out a breather to the open air.

When I went in for smog, I took the vent line and routed it to the charcoal can line instead of the breather. I also have the stock filler neck and cap adapted to the 45* filler.

I actually passed the evap test for my smog... but then failed the sniffer test because my motor was just too tired(lots of blow by)

This was at a Test Only too... The charcoal can thing was the first thing he looked for after seeing my truck and said they "seem to disappear" off the pre-runners he sees come in.

I luck'd out on my truck. Its a 96, so it doesnt get the EVAP test, and it was right around the time that vehicles were changing to OBD2, so my truck doesnt have an EVAP monitor either. So for smog I just ziptied it to the frame and didnt even have to hook it up.

Man I'm glad I live in az. Since my truck is 96 all they do is hook into the obd2 port and as long as there is no cel on its good. Oh and they check the gas cap. So I'm thinking as long as I have no evap leak and can use the stock cap I should pass. Is there anyone is az that has a fuel cell and passed emissions that can chime in?

Need to bump for more info.

With respect to the stock vent; If the truck did not come from the factory with a "charcoal canister" then why install one? My 1994 4.0l ranger simply has this blow off valve thing :

which runs back to the engine compartment ?!. wtf?...It's like the truck is sucking on its own vapor for more efficiency? I dont understand.

At any rate, if one was going to retain the stock sender/lines/fill neck....and this freaking weird vent thing, then why even vent to atmosphere at all?