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96f-u250

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VenTurA 805!
Make you pitman arm short enough so that you are using the full swing of the box. Put a 1.5 quickener inline. Spin that fucker faster, it will put more fluid out to the ram and make life much easier on the box.

Yes, Cheby box. Yes ram, works on the drag link between the pitman and the P side swinger.
I may add a ram later down the road, and possibly an inline quickener, for now though the pitman arm is stock length. I might look into the chevy box for a less expensive upgrade. Things are getting tight, I moved the driver tie rod to the front of the swinger and now the drag link between swingers will be real close to the frame and driver tie rod heim. Driver beam at full bump and center of steering. Also might be testing single shear at the tie rod ends on the knuckles with a 3/4” Gr8 bolt because on top where I could have double sheared the tie rod would have hit frame at full bump, it should see less load than double sheared 1/2” Gr8 bolts on coilovers and have more shear strength.
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FasterNU

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We have been running a 3/4" bolts in single shear on G3. With the cool heims that have spacers built into the ball.

Seems to be stronger than a factory ford steering box.
 

96f-u250

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We have been running a 3/4" bolts in single shear on G3. With the cool heims that have spacers built into the ball.

Seems to be stronger than a factory ford steering box.
Thats good to hear it has lasted on one of your trucks. Another concern with double shearing on stock knuckles is the compromise of losing strength from welding on the cast metal. So Barge, if I dont shorten the pitman is it still worth setting up the steering to use full motion of the box. As of now with a stock length pitman arm facing straight forward, i have 1.5 rotations at the steering wheel to full lock drivers side, but 2 rotations to full lock passenger side. I just will probably have to limit passenger full lock to 1.5 with a steering stop, will this be much of an issue? Also going straight down the road the steering wheel wont be centered.
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Failed attempt 1- set up passenger swinger based off of roughly 7” steering change from frame at ride height. So i set steering swinger tube centerline about 3.5” away from frame at neutral or steering straight ahead. Height was based off of centering tie rod heim with beam heim.
Problems included heim on heim contact, and swinger on frame contact. Which resulted in driver side steering rotation limitations. Also issues occurred at full bump..

Remedy- put driver beam at full bump and to move swinger link heim to the front of passenger swinger(shown above), cut frame, and put driver side to full lock and swinger and pitman arm to full lock driver side. Then lengthen tie rod, and pitman to swinger link. This pushed the swinger away from center of beam heim slightly at steering center. See here >> jackstand is in the way but picture is centered with beam heim.
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Now everything cycled and I marked the frame on driver side to prepare for driver side swinger.
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The lines are showing where the driver tie rod moves front to back through its steering travel.
 

Bertismyname

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The knuckles are cast steel. Not cast iron. Throw those bitches on the barbecue to preheat and weld away. Not saying you need to do this but there isn't any strength loss with proper welding techniques.
 

Bertismyname

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Move the box. Don't lengthen the Pittman. Something is not positioned right though. You shouldn't need to lengthen the Pittman to get this to work. Your swinger is in the wrong spot or wrong length/ shape.
 

96f-u250

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Thanks again for the info and suggestions, also good to know the knuckles are not cast iron. I did not move the box, and am slightly limiting steering from the stock steering stops. Also the desired heim location was hindered because of the body mounts. What would have helped immensely is moving the beams farther forward, which I might do with a few turns of the radius arm heims, or lengthen the steering mount off the front of the knuckle. However, the latter would have possibly caused interferences with wheel or tire. The heims in the front will be double-sheared, just unfortunately not to the tube.
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SByota

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Stoked to see such a grassroots style build come together. Keep it up. The amount of knowledge you are gaining from working through this is priceless.

Welding on the knuckles isn’t hard. Just pre-heat and burn it in. I’m local, east end Ventura, and have a 200 amp TIG machine. I use 312 stainless filler to do all my welding on cast steel stuff (knuckles, pitman arms etc). Let me know if you want to bring your stuff over and burn it in with the TIG. Or I can do it for you if you don’t have the ability.
 

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